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Do not believe lies


Thursday, August 14th, 2014
Issue 33, Volume 18.


I just read an article about how an older couple is now able to retire because they can afford their own health insurance under Obamacare. Now, anyone can write anything. It doesn’t mean it’s true. So, let me tell you a true story.

For the past several years, my husband has worked as a subcontractor for several different large engineering firms. We bought our own health insurance. 2013 was our worst year financially. We made about $40,000. Even with this, we did not qualify for any assistance with our healthcare under the Affordable Care Act (ACA). In fact, his Advertisement
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monthly premiums for the same lousy $6,000 deductible policy, jumped from $304/mo to $550/mo. We cannot afford this, so this year he has been without health insurance.

Yet, we pay for health insurance for other people under the wonderful ACA. Are there any hard-working, tax-paying citizens out there who can tell me their healthcare is now better and more affordable with Obamacare? I think not. Do not believe the lies, people.

We need to impeach this President and get rid of this whole Obamacare mess! We are becoming an Obomination with a ridiculous debt. So sad for our children!

Carolyn Mathes


 

63 comments

Comment Profile ImageAll part of the plan
Comment #1 | Friday, Aug 15, 2014 at 8:12 am
I doubt you will find any "hardworking, tax-paying citizens" that pay less, but you must understand that never was the intent of the program. This program is all about getting subsidized insurance to non-working, non-tax-paying, and/or non-citizens. It is as simple as that. It is a very simple Marxist concept to get those that can afford it, to pay for those that need it. When you read about these retirements, that is all part of the plan to get a majority to vote to keep the subsidies coming. This system will work until all the workers wise up and realize they are better off to just quit working and go on welfare too. Just look at Venezuela and you will see how well this will all work out.

The ultimate goal will be to get us all in a plan that is run similar to the VA. When they talk about single-payer, just read about the VA problems and multiply them by 100, that is where this is heading.
Comment Profile ImageMike W
Comment #2 | Friday, Aug 15, 2014 at 12:56 pm
Obamacare is a misnomer, it was a name given to the affordable care act by the republican senate after they and the insurance companies gutted it, yet it is still better than what we had at the mercy of the insurance companies alone, some folks have a very short memory.. And those who believe that getting rid of Obama, or any president, will change things then they don't understand today's US government and how it works and where the power really lies and it is not with the president or any other elected official. Just changing from Bush to Obama and the outrageous obstructionism that followed is proof enough, not to mention the haters who are driven by the right wing media who want nothing more than to say Obama failed in their mad dash to impeach before he leaves office so they can deliver that slap in the face they've wanted since the day he was elected.

All part of the plan ? Now who's wearing the tin hat?

I have a lot of experience at the VA here in La Jolla (3 major surgeries) and Phoenix (1 surgery) not to mention treatment for removing skin cancers and related plastic surgery needed and free eye exam and glasses once a year or when needed. I received top notch care at both facilities, the only problem with the VA is funding that republicans and now democrats would rather spend on the military, its vast industrial complex of weapons manufacturers and their insane misadventures in the Middle East, Ukraine and elsewhere in the world. As it is now, our country spends far more on so called defense than all other countries combined while manufacturing our enemies in order to keep the money ball rolling from our pockets to the Fed, who is conveniently wedged itself between us and our expenditures. But those who are so obsessed with our black president can't see what really matters

PS .. Carolyn, "I just read an article about how an older couple is now able to retire because they can afford their own health insurance under Obamacare" Please supply the article in question so we can all see what you are talking about... Saying you read an article says nothing, unless you just needed an introduction to Bash Obama.
Comment Profile ImageTerry Leather
Comment #3 | Friday, Aug 15, 2014 at 1:27 pm
I can't agree that ObamaCare has less coverage. I'm a single healthy male, who exercises, and has never smoked.

Sure my costs went up, but now I have pap exams, mammograms, and maternity coverage!
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #4 | Friday, Aug 15, 2014 at 3:16 pm
Mike, I also get excellent care from the VA San Diego area; but facts are facts and too many VA hospitals are broken. Obama took pride in "Obama-care" before it started to fall apart. Please tell me how the Republicans "gutted" it. How it is better than before when almost everyone I know has had rates go up? (I only know working people). One man that works for me was told his rate will go up 23%. Like other young people, he did not need medical care, yet he will pay the same as people who had many, many ER room visits. Insurance should be for non-normal visits. Maintenance should be your cost. (Like with a car - you maintain it, then insurance pays for damage - and your rate goes up). Why does the nation have to pay for simple things like BC (or Viagra?)
Comment Profile ImageJohn the Baptist
Comment #5 | Friday, Aug 15, 2014 at 6:19 pm
Persons who are not covered by Medicare or Medicaid and make less than 400 percent of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) are eligible for subsidies under the ACA. For a family of two (Mrs. Mathes’ case) the FPL in 2013 was $62,040. With her stated income of about $40,000, the Mathes should qualify for a significant subsidy. I visited the following ACA insurance calculator site www.valuepenguin.com/ppaca/exchanges/ca and tried this scenario:
Age 50 & 48, both smokers, $40K income, silver plan. I got nine quotes with premiums ranging from $182.49 from Healthnet to $371.18 from Anthem. All featured $2K deductible, 20 percent co-pay, and out-of-pocket maximum of $6350 to $6400.

In short Mrs. Mathes’ figures do not compute.
Comment Profile ImageCarolyn Mathes
Comment #6 | Saturday, Aug 16, 2014 at 7:28 pm
The article was on the main page of Roadrunner.com.

And, NO I don't have a short memory. Even though our coverage was the same, it was our monthly premiums that almost doubled for the same coverage. Now, we not only have big business insurance companies between us and our Dr.'s, we have the Federal Government! What a huge disaster!!! We know how well they can run things.
Comment Profile ImageMike W
Comment #7 | Sunday, Aug 17, 2014 at 9:28 pm
The whole point is ... Why do we need insurance companies in the mix at all ? Can anybody tell me that?

P.S. If we can't take care of our vets then stop sending them to war, especially wars that benefit a handful of bankers and their well positioned, resource extracting corporations, rather than the American people and the countries we're supposed to be helping instead of ethnic cleansing and destruction of their infrastructure while building military bases, complete with McDonald's and Burger King. Yikes!!
We don't want, nor need their hegemonic stability theories. Who in the world wants to achieve world military dominance? Nobody but us it seems, and for what? You know this is right out of the comic books, mad men seeking world dominance. We trained and armed ISIS so they can be our new boogeyman. Over competitiveness or wanting to dominate a market, an economy, people or the world is a form of mental illness and today it is applauded. Greed is good.. and that's why we have insurance companies still providing healthcare. Welcome to the world of privatized healthcare, I'll stick with the V.A.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #8 | Monday, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:08 pm
I have heard horror stories from several people, including members of my own family, about their experiences with the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) and I have also heard from two people that I know well, that it was a blessing for them because they can now afford the medicine that they require for existing conditions. I suppose that like anything else mandated by the government it has it's good and bad issues. I know that my special needs granddaughter lost much needed therapy coverage which my kids will now have to pay out of pocket, which means that I will be helping them with this expense so I will no longer be able to give to charities that I have always supported. Some people will win, some people will lose.
Comment Profile ImageJon Monday
Comment #9 | Monday, Aug 18, 2014 at 3:27 pm
Here's how Obamacare has helped everyone, and the nation:

There are no more annual or lifetime caps

Kids can stay on policies until age 26

Can't be turned down or dropped because of pre-existging conditions.

Men and Women are charged the same - no unfair rates.

Hospitals can't send you away because of lack of insurance.

Included check ups and preventative care, so longterm care will be cheaper.

The only reason people pay less for insurance than others (given a real free market), is because someone else is paying more.

If we eliminate everyone who has a family history of cancer, all the rest of us would pay less. But, that wouldn't be fair - would it?

“Truth comes as a conqueror only to those how have lost the art of receiving it as a friend.” - Tagore
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Comment Profile ImageJon Monday
Comment #10 | Monday, Aug 18, 2014 at 5:21 pm
One the other hand, what true liberals wanted was single payer.

That way everyone is covered - it would be OK if it was Medicare for all. I love Medicare. The standard Medicare is OK, but I also buy supplemental insurance.

If this kind of system were in place, Pink's issues would be resolved, as all medically necessary care will be provided. I have friends in Canada who have had to depend on their National Insurance for several heart attacks. He is rich, and could get care anywhere in the world, but returns to Canada for his care, which he feels is the best. He paid zero for out of pocket for his world-class care, didn't have to wait more that 5 minutes to be check into the hospital.

I think American Insurance companies have done an amazing job of brainwashing the American public. Ask almost anyone where America ranks on Health Care - they will probably answer #1. Not even in the top 20. We're somewhere around 35th.

“Truth comes as a conqueror only to those who have lost the art of receiving it as a friend.” - Tagore
Comment Profile ImageCarolyn Mathes
Comment #11 | Monday, Aug 18, 2014 at 6:55 pm
Thanks John the Baptist.

With my $8000 in SS, we actually declared $48,000.00 last year.
I went on the web site you suggested. This is what I found out:

When you put in 63yr. old male, no smoke @ $48,000, the least expensive policy is $620.46/mo. with a $2000 deductable.

My husband was paying $304/mo. for a $6000 deductible policy.
Yes, the deductible is better, but, as I said, the premiums have more than doubled so we couldn't afford it.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #12 | Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 at 8:53 am
Come on Jon - Canada? "obtaining an MRI scan in a hospital could require a waiting period of months," (canadian-healthcare.org) From GP referral to treatment was "the average wait was 18.2 weeks this year" (CBC News Technology & Science). Canadian Health care does not cover most elective surgeries - such as "Elective surgeries include: Biopsies or exploratory surgery, which is used to diagnose an illness or determine how advanced it is. Gynecological, which includes procedures such as hysterectomies (removal of the uterus and/or ovaries). Musculoskeletal, to replace deteriorated joints. Refractive, to repair vision defects; often referred to as LASIK, which is one form. Plastic, including procedures to reconstruct breasts or other body parts affected by illness or injury. Cardiovascular, which improves the heart's function." As for the health care rating, WHO has not listed since 2010. Health care rating cover age of death, and with the US leading the world in homicides and automobile deaths, that skews the data. bottom line - where would you want to have cancer - get it diagnosed and treated?
Comment Profile ImageJon Monday
Comment #13 | Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:58 am
To Carolyn,

I think you've made a terrible mistake.

Look at all the other things you get with Obamacare - see above.

And I forgot to mention that Obamacare limits the total out of pocket for the patient and the profits that can be used for things other than healthcare.

My wife and I were paying nearly $1,400 a month for our just-OK plan, before we got on Medicare, because I had preexisting cancer, among other things.

If your husband gets prostate cancer (and over 80% of men get that), the difference in preminum will be peanuts, compared to the out of pocket you'll pay.

For both Pink and Carolyn - Please, please get with an Obamacare Navigator to help you find plans.

At $40,000 a year, you could be wiped out with one incident. $620 a month is cheap for real insurance. With your old insurance you had annual caps, and no limit on out of pocket.

Check it out.


“Truth comes as a conqueror only to those who have lost the art of receiving it as a friend.” - Tagore
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #14 | Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:17 am
@Jon: "$620 a month is cheap for real insurance" .... I'm sorry Jon, but evidently you haven't had to live on $40K a year in a very long time! My son in law makes about 3 times that amount annually and under his old insurance policy he was paying less than $620 with full coverage and a cap on out of pocket, plus the majority of his daughter's therapy was covered, he now pays twice what he paid before for far less coverage including cancelled therapy sessions and a medication that my daughter is no longer receiving. Thanks for nothing Obama. $40K is today's economy is practically nothing, and you actually believe that $620 is a fair price? I know a young man with a family who brings in, after taxes, about $2500 a month. He was quoted $700 per month as the cheapest rate he could get under ACA. $700 out of $2500 doesn't leave much left for rent, food, utilities, etc, for a family of 4. He had to take a pass. They still have no insurance!! As far as your statement about Canada goes Jon, who are you trying to kid? I also have friends in Canada. They come here for medical care!! As I said, ACA will benefit some, but certainly not all.
Comment Profile ImageJon Monday
Comment #15 | Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 at 2:01 pm
Hi Pink,

If you're facing cancer surgery, $600 to $700 a month is cheap - I've been through it. The out of pocket, even with a good policy, will cost tens of thousands. That's one of the benefits of Nationalized Health Insurance. You can't financially wipe out your family, and even extended family due to a medical event. The US is the only industrialized country in the world where a medical event can cause bankruptcy, and the #1 cause of bankruptcy in the US is unexpected health expenses.

Americans are quite brain washed about all this. I can post the video I made of the Canadian guy - I'll put it on YouTube and post the link here.

No doubt in the US there are abnormal and unusual circumstances, especially with "elective" procedures. One of the reasons the overall cost of health care in America is so high, is that we treat people way beyond any reasonable measure of outcome.

People will insist to keep family members on life support way beyond any hope of recovery or a meaningful life. If heaven is the end result, why cling to life at the expense of family or country.

But, as you will see in the video, there is no out of pocket expense in Canada. And no wait at all, if it's a medical urgency.

The Canadian guy I filmed has a friend who had a ski accident and was left a complete quadriplegic. He gets first class care, has not had to dip into family monies to pay for it. He is in a first class surgical hospital with nurses and doctors, not staff at a "convalescence" hospital. He owns apartment buildings, is wealthy, etc. But, his taxes pay for complete coverage. I also got into it with him about tax rates, and found he pays less than many Americans, in his income bracket - and is happy to pay as much as he does (all in, around 44% of gross income). When people complain about US taxes, ask them to talk in terms of taxes paid as a percentage of gross income. Personal and corporate taxes are too low here, and need to be made fair.

Pink, I really hope you will look into it more deeply - I think you will be surprised by what the state and feds can do for you.

Don't get me started on wait times for MRIs, CAT scans, etc. I've waited for weeks and even more than a month at times, when it's not an emergency (or urgent). I've also had emergency appointments with my doctors within just one or two hours, or if needed, he sends me to the Scripps Urgent Care or the ER.

There are nearly a dozen developed countries who have far better health care systems than the US. Especially, Cost per Capita. We're are twice the #1 health care system (Japan), but rank in the 30s. All other developed countries have far more coverage than the US, with far better health outcomes.

Of course, if you're wealthy (far more than me), you can go anywhere where there is a first class private hospital and get world class care.

Even with coverage I have, a major cancer battle for me or my wife could wipe us out - Obamacare only went so far to fix that - it was as far as the insurance company lobbyist would allow. Medicare for all would be a great next step.

I got an infection from a back procedure last year that was introduced by unsterilized instruments. This is why you didn't see much of me in the last year. I kept complaining about the increasing pain, he kept prescribing more and more Oxycontin.

Finally, after six weeks, I went to another doctor who ordered a MRI and called me the night he got the report and ordered me to immediately go to Scripps ER. The first doctor nearly killed me. There was a pocket of puss pushing on my spinal cord, which was about to paralyze me, if not kill me. Several doctors said I was lucky to have survived it.

The first 8 week round of treatments via a PICC line didn't work.

But, here's the thing, I had to pay $420 a WEEK for the antibiotic, after insurance. That's $1,800 a month out of pocket for just the antibiotic. I can afford that hit, but wonder what most people do, who don't have my resources.

They had to change antibiotics, and after another 12 weeks, it mostly cleared the edema around the L3 - L5 area. And now, a year later, it seems to be coming back. If it has, the next step will to open my back and wash the entire area - it's a major operation.

I got one bad doctor, and I'll report him to the state, but lobbyists for the medical profession have made it such that this doesn't come any where close to being something to take to court. My complaint won't even be available for public viewing through the State Medical Board, which is run by doctors, for doctors.

Now I do all medical stuff with Scripps doctors and facilities. Aside from everything else, their central record keeping is a major plus when you're seeing various specialists, plus your main doctor. All my doctors can view all my records, and they have a portal for sending and receiving messages, and keep all your health records for reference.

They saved my life.
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Comment Profile ImageJon Monday
Comment #16 | Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 at 2:16 pm
One final comment:

Obamacare is just a step to a modern health care system. Medicare for all should be next, and then, full national healthcare, where all necessary preventive and ongoing heathcare is paid for through taxes, with no out of pocket, no cause for bankruptcy.

It will not be better for a few, but Obamacare is better for the vast majority.

Pink, if your son had a private policy before Obamacare, it would have been very rare to not have caps and limitations built in. For one thing, almost all private coverage was and is only available as an annual coverage.

Have a major incident, and you'll find yourself unable to renew or get a policy. That's one of the major features of Obamacare that effect everyone - 100%.


“Truth comes as a conqueror only to those who have lost the art of receiving it as a friend.” - Tagore
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #17 | Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 at 4:14 pm
Jon, you may be correct in saying that if you have a major debilitating and costly illness such as cancer, $640 per month might be considered a bargain..... however... if you simply want insurance coverage for your family, and only make $2000 or so per month, it isn't a bargain at all.

My son in law works for a big company, they have a healthcare package for all their employees. Their insurance company used Obamacare as an excuse to jack up premiums and cut back on services, they can do this. The ceiling on his out of pocket expenses more than doubled.

The ACA may have helped some individuals but certainly not the majority. There are still hundreds of thousands of Americans without any coverage at all, even the president doesn't appear to know how to correct this.

I'm glad that your Canadian friends are getting good health care in Canada Jon, mine certainly aren't, and they are considered middle class. Sounds like the Canadians are having the same problems that we are, some get good coverage, and some do not.

I'm sorry about your medical issues Jon, sounds like you had a quack for a doctor. We also had a doctor here in town that didn't know what he was doing half the time, we have now switched to another doctor in Oceanside and he is terrific. We are fortunate because my husband is a triple dipper, so we have excellent coverage and benefits. We are also fortunate to be able to help our kids; it is unfortunate that 2 charities dear to my heart will have to go without some donation money, but that is the way it is.
Comment Profile ImageJon Monday
Comment #18 | Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:07 pm
If you want an honest perspective of what Canadian Health Care system is really like, from a person who is able to afford healthcare anywhere in the world, watch this video.

If you ever want to talk about the US vs Canadian systems, as an informed person, you must watch this video. This guy had no axe to grind, in fact I didn't even know him - a friend came to visit, and brought him along. We got into a discussion about healthcare, and the revelations were amazing. The Canadians laugh at the US politicians' characterization of their system.

http://youtu.be/vIy6uKQllNI

There is a counter on the page, so I will be very interested in seeing how many of you really look at this fact-filled video, that may change your views. It's only 8 minutes.


“Truth comes as a conqueror only to those who have lost the art of receiving it as a friend.” - Tagore
Comment Profile ImageAnn Glass
Comment #19 | Wednesday, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:37 am
Our Canadian relatives complain about their healthcare system. One of them is employed as an administrator in a hospital/care facility and according to her, people have to wait so long for procedures like hip and knee replacements that they come to the U.S. and pay out of pocket, as well as with other procedures.
Comment Profile ImageMike W
Comment #20 | Wednesday, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:43 pm
Why is it that when anyone suggests a national healthcare system there are always those fearful folk spouting off about this person or that friend or family member from Canada, England etc. saying there is a long wait or this or that negative response. They can't seem to understand that we can get quality healthcare with the least cost to each individual by everyone chipping in according to their ability through taxes, and who said we have to adopt any negative aspects of other national healthcare systems? Why let fear of the unknown rule your life when we could and should jump in and find out for ourselves.
What we have to do for the sake of this country and its citizens is focus our sights on any and all monopolies and bust them up because in all instances they cost the consumer much more while replacing quality with quantity in regard to our basic daily necessities. Look what happened to the media, phone and TV, and they are trying to do the same with the internet. Package it all up in lies and misrepresentation, substituting quantity for quality in a world where we could have the best of everything if it weren't for greed and fear.

Nice quote. it's going to my file of nice quotes. Thanks..
Comment Profile ImageJon Monday
Comment #21 | Wednesday, Aug 20, 2014 at 7:09 pm
Did anyone what the video? This is real data, from a real person who has had to depend on the Canadian Health Care System for his life, and he is wealthy enough to get taken care of anywhere in the world.

Watch it, or don't - but if you care about facts, and not rumors or propaganda from the Insurance Industry, you'll watch it. It's only 8 minutes, and then we can have a real conversation.


http://youtu.be/vIy6uKQllNI
Comment Profile ImageJohn the Baptist
Comment #22 | Wednesday, Aug 20, 2014 at 7:22 pm
Re Comment #11:

Carolyn, I plugged in San Diego, 63yr old male non-smoker, 62 yr old spouse (you have to be at least 62 to draw SS), $48K, silver plan.

I got $220.83 from HealthNet and $380.00 from Sharp.

What entries did you use?

Regards
Comment Profile Image@Mike W
Comment #23 | Thursday, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:37 am
It is very well known what your Marxist style government will bring. Very, very well known and it isn't pretty. But I do agree that the monopolies must be broken up. We should start with the biggest monopoly in the world; the US government.
Comment Profile ImageJon Monday
Comment #24 | Thursday, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:06 am
To Ann,

You say your friends complain about the Canadian Health Care system, but I hear complaints about the US system all the time.

America has over 40 uninsured or under-insured
Canada has no uninsured citizens

In the US you can be forced into bankruptcy due to health expenses - even if you have insurance. Michael Moore's Sicko need to be edited, where he goes over the top, but the rest of the movie is well worth watching. It's not about the uninsured in the US, but horror stories of those who had insurance, but were still screwed by our system.

In Canada all health care is paid for (if you watch the video, you would know).

In Canada prescriptions drugs are low cost, because their system negotiates with the drug companies, using their enormous purchasing power.

In the US, Congress block the ability for the government to negotiate for lower prices.

In the US we pay nearly twice as much as the #1 health care system, yet we're ranked in the 30s in health care outcome.

I've been nearly killed by three different doctors here in the US (at Stanford Hospital, a private practice doctor, and the pain doctor last year). Bad doctors can happen anywhere, but good health care for a nation begins with national health insurance that cover 100% of our citizens.


“Truth comes as a conqueror only to those who have lost the art of receiving it as a friend.” - Tagore
Comment Profile ImageJD
Comment #25 | Thursday, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:32 am
I’d care so much less about politics if we just made it harder for Liberals to vote away our freedoms.

Obamacare is resulting in exactly what the opponents -labeled crazy, evil or stupid – said it would. In addition to the more than five million million who have already lost their plans, tens of millions more will lose their plans and doctors when the employer mandate kicks in. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) recently said that after Obamacare is fully implemented there will still be tens of millions of uninsured Americans. Additionally, the CBO released a report in Feb. of 2014 that said that Obamacare would result in the loss of 2.5 million full time jobs and that it would disincintivize work. Essentially every single piece of empirical evidence shows that Obamacare has failed based upon the standards laid out by the programs’ proponents.
Comment Profile ImageJon Monday
Comment #26 | Thursday, Aug 21, 2014 at 3:56 pm
A new poll came out yesterday from the Field Polling company (non-partisan) conducted from late June to mid-July, shows that 56 percent of registered voters in the state favor the health reform law, also known as Obamacare, while 35 percent are opposed.

Democracy - the voters have spoken.
Comment Profile ImagePaul
Comment #27 | Thursday, Aug 21, 2014 at 5:32 pm
California is not the entire country Jon.

JD is correct, many companies and small businesses have cut workers hours to part-time, others have simply eliminated positions. Whomever said that some people will benefit, others will not is right on the money. Canada has the same issues with their national healthcare, yes, their healthcare is "free" but most of us, over the age of 12, understand that nothing is actually "free", someone has to pay for it.
Comment Profile ImageTerry Leather
Comment #28 | Friday, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:33 am
Jon Monday's right, and I want to thank him and YOU for continuing to pay 88% of my health insurance, my generous pay, and 94.2% of my pension. THE GRAVY TRAIN ROLLS ON BABY!!!
Comment Profile ImageJon Monday
Comment #29 | Friday, Aug 22, 2014 at 1:57 pm
There are those who are most ignorant, is because they chose to be so.

No body has watched the video, where much confusion about the Canadian system is dispelled.

Here is truth: http://youtu.be/vIy6uKQllNI


“Truth comes as a conqueror only to those who have lost the art of receiving it as a friend.” - Tagore
Comment Profile ImageKyle
Comment #30 | Friday, Aug 22, 2014 at 3:25 pm
If only she would have applied her $2500 savings from Obamacare this never would have happened......
Comment Profile ImageSeriously??
Comment #31 | Friday, Aug 22, 2014 at 9:03 pm
So let me see if I have this right Jon.... if all of us "fools" will just watch this video that you recommend all of our questions will be answered, everyone will join hands and sing Kumbaya and we will all be free to ignore the testimony from our Canadian friends who say BS. I do have a question however, if countries like Great Britain and Canada are so far more evolved in healthcare than we rubes are here in the USA, why oh why are they still smoking like chemnies? Don't they know it causes cancer and increases the risk of stroke and heart disease? is it because healthcare is free so therefore no worries because if they end up in the hospital who cares, it is all paid for by the government? I'm also curious, as one who has traveled extensively in Europe, is dental care not provided free of charge? Do they have to pay out of pocket for that? If so, it goes a long way towards explaining why they don't exactly have Ipana smiles.
Comment Profile ImageMike W
Comment #32 | Monday, Aug 25, 2014 at 9:49 am
Comment 31 ~ "if all of us "fools" will just watch this video that you recommend all of our questions will be answered"
In a word, Yes!! and btw, Do you have any idea how childish that sounds? Seriously?? and Really?? are starting to sound alike ... No?

What's with you people, are you superstitious or something? What was good about the health care system we had? Nothing.
Look what happened when we tried to make it better by getting rid of the offending insurance companies, the insurance industry flexed its muscles, poisoned the airways with misinformation, bribed the politicians and we ended up with something only marginally better and the for profit insurance companies are still wedged between us and our healthcare.
Obamacare is just the first attempt from an overly capitalistic society who forgot how to think for themselves, but that will all change, we'll do better next time.

Who cares what your uncle Bernie's friend might have said about Canada and the UK, their's is a public system and they can change it, ours is from a private entity and involves a knock down drag out fight to change anything, as we have already witnessed. And the CIA World Factbook says life expectancy from birth in Canada is in 14th place, UK is 29th, and USof A is way down to position 42. What does that tell ya?

It is very well known what your Marxist style government will bring. Very, very well known and it isn't pretty. Oh give me a break will ya? Now taking care of ourselves is Marxist to the closed minded few.., go figure..

P.S. Where's your Video?
It is a well known fact that many Canadians who plan to travel to the States often buy extra health insurance (like buying a few weeks car insurance going to Mexico) in case they get into an accident or get sick, just so they don't get wiped out financially by the staggering cost of doctors and hospitals here in the capitalist mecca of the world..
Comment Profile ImagePaul
Comment #33 | Monday, Aug 25, 2014 at 12:03 pm
Does Mike W live on the same planet as the rest of us? If it weren't for videos he and his friend Jon, to a somewhat lesser degree, evidently wouldn't be able to find their way from the living room to the bathroom. I believe that I speak for most Americans when I say that nobody loves insurance companies, they are out of control and have been for years. That being said, all that the ACA has done for us is make matters worse! We have gone from the frying pan into the fire. The only ones even remotely benefiting from this fiasco, and then only marginally, are those with a pre-exisiting medical condition and "kids" who want to hang onto mommy and daddy's coat tails until they turn 26. My kids were covered on my insurance plan until they either finished college or turned 23. That is plenty of time to get an education, and then get the heck out of the house and get a J...O....B!

I believe that "Seriously" posed some good questions, but of course rather than try to actually answer them good old Mike resorted to 5th grade level name calling. Frankly the only person commenting here who sounds immature Mike, is you. BTW Mike, what your figures about life expectancy tells me (if it is even true) is that far too many uneducated people are giving birth to poor little babies that they cannot afford to feed, and that drug use probably enters into the mix as well. Has nothing to do with our quality of healthcare. As far as your slobbering admiration for European healthcare goes, do they or do they not have free dental? Because if so very few of them are taking advantage of it, and the remark about smoking is right on the money!! I though I would choke to death in a crowded railway station in France one afternoon about three years ago.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #34 | Monday, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:10 pm
Mike, I love your excuses for everythng that Obama has failed at; it is the politicans fault. Mike your hero is the #1 politican in the world, so I guess you are correct - it is HIS fault. LOL
Comment Profile ImageJon Monday
Comment #35 | Monday, Aug 25, 2014 at 4:05 pm
The nice thing about YouTube is that you can track the views very closely. Exactly one person watched the video, and watched the whole 8 minutes. Who was the brave soul, fearless enough to hear about the Canadian System.

It's also a laugh to hear push backs like, "Canada does have dental". Ha! I don't have dental and can't get it (at least at a price that makes sense).

But, here's the real score card to watch:

Uninsured Canadians: 0
Uninsured Americans: tens of millions

Anyone want to see something that may help you understand the Canadian system:

Come on: http://youtu.be/vIy6uKQllNI

It won't hurt. Or will it?


“Truth comes as a conqueror only to those who have lost the art of receiving it as a friend.” - Tagore
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #36 | Monday, Aug 25, 2014 at 7:12 pm
I tried several times to watch the video Jon but was unable to find it. I did find another one though by a former Marine officer who now resides in Canada. I thought it was interesting and informative, however when I read all the comments that people, both American and Canadian citizens, had posted after viewing the video it appeared that many Canadians called it hogwash and told tales of long waits for MRI's, test results, and medications while others agreed that it was great. Much like here, a divided consensus. I remain convinced that no plan is perfect and that there are flaws in every system.

"One man's truth is another man's lies...."
Comment Profile ImageTerry Leather
Comment #37 | Tuesday, Aug 26, 2014 at 8:06 am
"Uninsured Canadians: 0
Uninsured Americans: tens of millions"

Welcome to Exaggeration Club. I can't believe EVERYONE IN CANADA & AMERICA showed up!!!
Comment Profile ImageMike W
Comment #38 | Wednesday, Aug 27, 2014 at 12:24 pm
Comment #35 ~ "Exactly one person watched the video, and watched the whole 8 minutes. Who was the brave soul, fearless enough to hear about the Canadian System." Lol That would be me Jon, sorry. I know you were hoping someone here would give you the benefit of the doubt and be interested enough to actually consider the other side .. (the link you offered works just fine) That makes it pretty evident they don't want to enter into any serious discussion on the issues, unless it agrees with what Fox is telling them.
When you are so invested in your beliefs that opposing views and even truth become the enemy and must be avoided at all costs, yet phony Fox authority figure, TV personalities like Judge Jeanine Pirro slinging right wing war propaganda and bashing Obama are somehow more believable.. Here is the voice of the establishment and it is based on all lies. Will we ever be offered anything more than authoritative, know nothing TV hosts reading from a script, it is amazing how much propaganda is packed in this video and if you believe it you are being fooled ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nm8aW7WOsc


I believe that "Seriously" posed some good questions, but of course rather than try to actually answer them good old Mike resorted to 5th grade level name calling ~

So where are the good questions and name calling ? Did I miss a good question hidden somewhere in the sarcasm? Let's see ... American cigarettes contain over 800 chemicals in the tobacco and paper that turn into over 8000 chemicals when you light them. Canadian and especially European cigs don't have near that many. Most Europeans take more leisure time and don't have the level stress we do, not as many fast food places there as we do here and those that do (London) have McDonalds etc, they have a different, healthier menu. And the life expectancy is from The CIA Fact Book so even that is in question when it doesn't conform to your establishment views.

Grunt .. Please give examples so I can respond, It is obvious Obama is not in charge and congress are a bunch of well paid lapdogs for those who are in charge, and the few that aren't are ineffectual due to the incredible brainwashing of the American copulas. What can you expect form good folks who are not privy to factual news and world events
Comment Profile ImageTerry Leather
Comment #39 | Wednesday, Aug 27, 2014 at 1:55 pm
What question would you want to ask Jon Monday about health care?

As a patriotic American, I shall do my part:

*Does this new healthcare system include Obama and that rest of the bunch on the Hill?

*Please explain to us how Obama’s plan for Healthcare won’t competitively force out private insurance thus making me lose the Insurance I currently enjoy.

*Will this new system be as well-run as Medicare?

*Can I still choose my own doctor even if he gets disgusted with Obamacare and quits practicing medicine?

*Is there a provision in this bill to stop those creepy Levitra commercials that show grandparents making out?

*The idea of “passing a law before you find out what is in it” Is the standard procedure for a stool sample. Should I be concerned?

* If I ask an ObamaCare navigator, will they provide me with a fake Canadian ID, a fake Canadian passport and a map showing the locations of all clinics in Canada?

*Is the fate of healthcare resting on us being able to convince Millennials to buy over-priced insurance over an Xbox?

*Does anyone have any actual proof Canada exists? You could just put up a couple maple leaf flags anywhere in America and people would think it’s Canada. Easy to fake.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #40 | Wednesday, Aug 27, 2014 at 2:34 pm
Well gosh Mike, I guess for a veteran web site, you tube, and video geek like you, finding the video Jon recommended was probably a cinch, when I tried it kept telling me that I was making an error in my search, so I finally Googled Canadian Healthcare advocates and what came up, among other things, was the video by the former Marine Corps officer who was singing the praises of Canadian healthcare, and I was interested to hear it, however, as I stated, not everyone in Canada agreed with him, which prompted me to say, just like here, some like it and some don't. How hard is that for you to understand?

As for "Seriously" who asked about the smoking issue in Europe, I can understand what he (or she) was trying to say. Jon tells us all how far superior the Europeans are and how more enlightened they are when it comes to healthcare, so I think the questions Seriously raised were valid. Certainly we have cigarettes here in America, and people smoke them, but in most instances, especially here in sunny California, they are restricted to the great outdoors or the alley behind the restaurant, or outside the service entrance at the office, in order to smoke them. In Europe they smoke everywhere, all of the time. Frankly when I was in England and France I did wonder about the dental issue, probably because here we tend to get our children braces and whitening strips before they even reach junior high. As far as your comment about their "healthier" fast foods, I have to ask you... ever had greasy fish and chips wrapped in newspapers? Best I ever had was in London!! Their sandwiches are a bit dry though, not terribly tasty unless you are really hungry, and fortunately I was.

In closing, thank you once again for you diatribe about FOX News, apparently you watch it a lot more than the rest of us do, if I want fantasy and comedy I tune in to MSNBC myself.
Comment Profile ImageTerry Leather
Comment #41 | Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 5:25 am
So have the Republicans developed strategies to deal with the enormous popularity and success of Obamacare in the 2014 midterms?

P.S. Remember to talk up Obamacare to your family this Labor Day weekend.

Don't worry; Obamacare covers getting repeatedly punched in the face.
Comment Profile ImageMike W
Comment #42 | Monday, Sep 1, 2014 at 8:29 am
On Thursday Aug 28th, 2014 nonpartisan CBO Announces that Obama care is strengthening Medicare and reducing the deficit.
The annual deficit is now 70% lower than it was when Pres. Obama took office in 2009, and it's projected to fall further, and 10 million previously uninsured Americans are now covered.
Now, just think of what it would be like if we stopped listening to Fox scare tactics and went all the way towards what we really want and need. American universal Healthcare

In other breaking news, Koch brothers announced that higher taxes will force them to lay off at least a half a dozen or more Congressmen..
Comment Profile ImageTerry Leather
Comment #43 | Monday, Sep 1, 2014 at 9:29 pm
Has any investigative journalist looked into whether Obama is some Koch brothers’ plot to discredit big government?


Liberals want you to know that the government taking over 16% of the economy won’t affect your freedom. They also want to remind you that a happy attitude about it will be factored into rationing.
Comment Profile ImageReally?
Comment #44 | Tuesday, Sep 2, 2014 at 9:57 am
"Now, just think of what it would be like if we stopped listening to Fox scare tactics and went all the way towards what we really want and need."
~ Mike W.

Maybe we should put you in charge of the media, so you can tell us all what we're allowed to think and say. For the sake of Freestuff...I mean Freedom, of course.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #45 | Tuesday, Sep 2, 2014 at 11:05 am
I find it interesting that the people who apparently want to get rid of freedom of speech are people like Mike W, who continually scream about the First Amendment, but what they actually mean is freedom of speech for those who think like they do. I, for instance, know that 99% of what we hear on MSNBC and about 50% of what we hear on both cable and network news is all BS. Most news and so called news stations slant their commentary to their particular political philosophy. No surprises there. I am also intelligent enough to figure this out for myself, I do not need Mikey or his pseudo intellectual friends to tell me what I should believe, and I certainly do not need a page worth of links to hand picked web sites that will back up their claims, I can provide half dozen websites to back up mine as well, that is called "show me yours and I will show you mine".
Comment Profile ImageReally?
Comment #46 | Wednesday, Sep 3, 2014 at 6:15 am
Pink, witness perfect examples of the Liberal outlook. Do you not realize, to these emoting sheep, that they have rationally examined the issues and arrived at the Korrect conclusion? Should you disagree with them, you cannot be doing so honestly as the Liberal finding is the rational, nuanced and reasoned one, therefore you must be either grossly misinformed or actively malevolent. Mikey & Comrades feel no need to engage and find what other people are thinking because to the degree that differs with them is a failing in the other individual. They’re dialogues on any subject are with themselves and the straw men they invent to justify their conclusions.

And as to such being a characteristic of Liberalism? Well, which side of the ideological aisle is the one continually trying to criminalize those with whom they are not in agreement? To espouse the boot of government in your life to pay for someone else’s needs "they" deem worthy? Do conservatives seek to shout down progressive speakers? Do conservative teachers and students seek to deny tenure to liberals? When people make donations to leftist causes, do conservatives seek to punish them through screeching public boycotts or protests? Here, in this forum only after they do a flamboyant face-plant do they huff away once called out, exposed and confronted on their anti-freedom agendas. It's worth noting this country wasn’t founded because the British were failing to supply entitlements.

Conservatives see political disagreement as normal and something to be moderated when in a public forum such as this. Liberals are just not accustomed to you fighting back for you and your children’s Freedom from their inane oppressive policies. They babble about polarization, however never of the fact that they should've stayed in their own lane, off our Bill of Rights, out of our wallets, & out of our children’s classroom. Liberals see such blowback as either stupidity or moral failing. No need to talk, only lecture to your opponents if they have nothing worthwhile to add to the discussion...just a dismissive Pfft...or Hayseed remark, will do. As if "only you would click on this link, you would be convinced that I am right"....child like cries of "did any one watch the YouTube video???"....Lol. And, similarly to its predecessors on the left such as communism, modern American Liberals and Liberalism have already determined truth (to Power) and the effort will be to enforce conformance with that truth as opposed to determining what that truth is. Hence the droning sheep bleating on about Fox News, Rush, etc.

Our liberty was hard won with much blood and sacrifice. Don’t trade it for baubles.
Comment Profile ImageJon Monday
Comment #47 | Thursday, Sep 4, 2014 at 8:24 pm
To Pink and others who cannot view the YouTube video I posted, here is the link:

http://youtu.be/vIy6uKQllNI

All you have to do is copy just the link into a browser's address line and hit enter.

As I logged in today, there were 5 view for a total of 17 minutes of viewing time. If Mike watched the whole 8 minutes, that leave 9 minutes split between 4 people.

This is not a serious place for discussion, if you won't watch information that disputes your worldview.

What a waste and shame - this tells me people just want to spout off. I go to the links from serious posters, but why should I bother to do research and even post video, if they are ignored.

Come on...
Comment Continued : The comment above was written from the same location.
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Comment Profile ImageJon Monday
Comment #48 | Thursday, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:22 pm
and finally, how long do you have to wait to get a hip replacement in the US. My father-in-law got two, several years apart, and had to wait months in agony, even in a wheel chair for the second one, before he got the appointment.

In any case, if you had watched the video, you would have heard the fellow say he has never been presented a bill for his medical care, and has never had to wait more then a few minutes to be admitted to a hospital.

Conservatives say that although his health care is free, it's actually paid for through his taxes. True. But, I got into it with him about taxes, and he pays less than a person earning the same amount in the US. I checked the tax rates in his Provence and city.

I wish Pink, or one of the other serious conservatives here, would really do some homework, independent of media, and challenge my statements with facts, and not opinion or hearsay about the Canadian and US systems.

I filmed a real, live person who has had major medical problems describing the Canadian system, and then spent hours of researching US and Canadian tax rates to see who really pays more.

A preview - we pay higher taxes (if you don't cheat) and have a crappy healthcare system (unless you're rich). Canada has lower taxes, everyone has healthcare, and no one goes bankrupt from medical expenses (our number one reason).

http://youtu.be/vIy6uKQllNI


“Truth comes as a conqueror only to those who have lost the art of receiving it as a friend.” - Tagore
Comment Profile ImageTerry Leather
Comment #49 | Friday, Sep 5, 2014 at 8:35 am
I see you have not found the brevity button on your computer Mr. Monday.... .

“Obamacare is getting more and more unpopular. Ideas?”

“I know: Let’s encourage Toolbags to annoy people about it!”
Comment Profile ImageJon Monday
Comment #50 | Saturday, Sep 6, 2014 at 1:05 pm
To Terry,

A new George Washington University "Battleground" poll shows that, on the list of things that people think are wrong with this country, Obamacare actually ranks pretty low. As in behind-"other" low.

The poll shows seven in 10 likely voters think the country is off on the wrong track. But unlike other pollsters, it then asked a follow-up question about why people were unhappy.

Of the 70 percent who said the country was off on the wrong track, just 5 percent offered a reason having to do with Obamacare. In other words, only about 5.1 percent of all Americans think Obamacare is the bane of American existence right now.


“Truth comes as a conqueror only to those who have lost the art of receiving it as a friend.” - Tagore
Comment Profile ImageTerry Leather
Comment #51 | Sunday, Sep 7, 2014 at 7:18 pm
Some people are upset now as they were misled when Obama misspoke 582 times about people being able to keep their health care plans they like. The White House wants to assure those people that Obama is an idiot whose mindless jabbering should never be taken to mean anything.
Comment Profile ImageJon Monday
Comment #52 | Monday, Sep 8, 2014 at 7:44 pm
To Terry,

I'm so glad you brought up that old news about Obama saying that you could keep your old policy.

When he said it, it was true. The law included language that specifically exempted existing policies from the terrible imposition Obamacare placed on them, like:

- At least 80% of premiums must go to actual health care.

- You cannot be dumped because of pre-existing conditions.

- Your kids don't get dumped before 26.

- included preventative care and checkups.

- etc., etc., etc.

The ONLY reason old policies were dropped was because the insurance companies decided to drop them, as they automatically do every year. You may not have noticed, but each year the insurance companies review each policy and determine if they want to drop them, increase the rates, or make other changes. You must have gotten the packages in the mail saying, here's your new policy changes - often accompanied with an increase in rates.

Again, on a per-capita basis Americans pay twice as much as the next highest country, but get much worse care - and we have tens of millions who still are uninsured, who get their hospital are paid for out of our tax dollars.

Obamacare said that policies written before the law could stay in place, but after the implementation date, new policies had to conform to the new rules, making it a real insurance policy and not an illusion of coverage, as was the case with the old, cheap policies.

“Truth comes as a conqueror only to those who have lost the art of receiving it as a friend.” - Tagore
Comment Profile ImageReally
Comment #53 | Tuesday, Sep 9, 2014 at 9:53 am
Keep bleating, sheep. Never underestimate Monday and his attempts to defend the indefensible. I take it you think that if you repeat that cut & paste partisan BS enough it will somehow make it true.

Your discredited leftist ideology, twisted rhetoric and agenda has been preempting other people’s decisions, and seeks to control more of our lives with the force of Government. The opposition to ObamaCare is very simple, and irrefutable by honest people. You cannot force some people to pay for other people's health care.

The long and short here is that a postponed tsunami of discontent awaits ObamaCare, just around the time the President exits office, when union plans are hit with new taxes; insurance companies may require a bailout; appropriation battles get underway; providers confront massive cuts; hospitals suffer losses; employers face mandates; and patients, once again, revolt against sticker shock as they are forced to pay higher penalties or buy policies they do not want.

Everything surrounding that debacle was a lie, and it will cost the public trillions more than ever admitted to when it was shamefully rammed through congress in the dark of night on the eve of a holiday. At this point, you have to be a bit of a sociopath to act like things are going okay for Obamacare.

Still, your wrongness is awesome.
Comment Profile ImageJon Monday
Comment #54 | Tuesday, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:34 pm
To Really,

In case you didn't notice, everyone is paying for the health care for the poor and uninsured (some just because they don't want to pay, others because they can't afford it). In any case, when a person shows up at the ER, they are treated, and if uninsured, we pay.

Please quote sources for your other claims - at least I can back up my statements with quotes and references.

The American people may be discontent with Obamacare, but pools show they are totally unwilling to give up the common sense benefits. Do I have to list them again?

Please reply with facts and sources - otherwise we can't really have any communication between us.



“Truth comes as a conqueror only to those who have lost the art of receiving it as a friend.” - Tagore
Comment Profile ImagePaul
Comment #55 | Tuesday, Sep 9, 2014 at 7:07 pm
No Jon! Please do not list them again!! Is this how liberals plan to try and win arguments now, by boring us to death? If I see one more web site, poll result or link to a YouTube video I think I will throw up, and if you repeat that redundant Tagore quote one more time, I know I will!!

God deliver us from wanna be intellectuals.
Comment Profile ImageJon Monday
Comment #56 | Wednesday, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:54 pm
Hi Paul,

Don't mean to cause you any discomfort, but for others who read these posts:

The basic benefits of Obamacare are:

You can't be denied or dropped because of previous conditions.

Insurance companies can only use 20% of premiums for non-medical expenses.

Kids can stay on parents policy until 26.

If you can't afford it, there are subsidies.

Included checkups and preventative care.

Online and in-person help to find a policy that fits your circumstances, and let's you know about options, costs, and potential help, if you can't afford it.

Which of these benefits do you want to drop? What provisions of Obamacare would you change?

The general population will be healthier when they enter Medicare, so long-term taxpayer costs for that will be lower, much lower over time.


“Truth comes as a conqueror only to those who have lost the art of receiving it as a friend.” - Tagore
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #57 | Wednesday, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:10 pm
"The Obama administration has asked Hollywood to work a positive mention about Obamacare into it's TV shows and movies. So AMCs new zombie drama is going to be titled: The Walking Dead, but not due to a preexisting condition": Conan OBrien
Comment Profile ImageTerry Leather
Comment #58 | Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:59 am
To protect your health care plan from Obamacare, make sure you don’t like it.

If you have a preexisting condition, Obamacare will be a big help to you… unless you’re preexisting condition is “middle class taxpayer.” Well, then...not so much.

Obamacare has increased mental health coverage, which is mainly used by people in Human Resources who have to deal with Obamacare.

Spent the last hour laughing at the thought of Jon Monday saying, "ObamaCare is soooooooooo great!" Benedryl is fun.
Comment Profile ImageJon Monday
Comment #59 | Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 9:33 am
Hi Terry,

Do you have any facts, opinion, or issues with Obamacare that you'd like to specify?

Please, give me some facts to push back on, rather than just sneering and complaining. When serious people want to discuss an issue, they not only say things like, "I hate it.", to show why, they list the things they don't like, and in the best case, suggest an alternative.

Without that, it's just noise.

I have no hope or desire to change your opinion, I write here to point out the weakness of the argument that Obamacare is bad for the nation - when you can't or won't get specific.

I've listed many things that Obamacare fixed, that almost all Americans feel needed to be fixed. What people mostly complain about is that the cost of real insurance coverage is more than they were paying for a flim-flam policy.


“Truth comes as a conqueror only to those who have lost the art of receiving it as a friend.” - Tagore
Comment Profile ImageReally.....
Comment #60 | Friday, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:36 am
Hey Monday, why should any one give you 'Facts'....Huh?

You think you deal in facts? Please....A liberal cut&paste person babbling about facts! Now THAT is FUNNY. You deserve the lampooning by Terry. Your confirmation bias is hillariously strong.

You make the false assumption that your "liberal" mind is open for business.
Comment Profile ImageJon Monday
Comment #61 | Friday, Sep 12, 2014 at 11:51 am
To Really,

So I list the major benefits of Obamacare, and the conservatives here push back with noise.

Anyone?

Is there any specific objection to Obamacare, or is it just a general hatred of anything that has to do with Obama?

This is also the problem with the Republicans in Congress. They like to complain about Obamacare, but suggest nothing to replace it.

And the most curious thing is that Obamacare is almost entirely patterned on Romney's plan, so it is, in fact, what Republicans designed, but now hate because a Dem implemented it.



“Truth comes as a conqueror only to those who have lost the art of receiving it as a friend.” - Tagore
Comment Profile ImageJD
Comment #62 | Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:07 pm
"Is there any specific objection to Obamacare, or is it just a general hatred of anything that has to do with Obama?"
___________________________________________________

Aside, of course, from protection from sudden, catastrophic unemployment due to Obamacare-induced employer-collapse. Good luck raising kids working 30 hours a week.

If you make a law that isn’t crappy and isn’t poorly planned, then you don’t have to keep delaying parts of it.

You don't really need to be Sherlock Holmes. It is, as they say, elementary.
Comment Profile ImageJon Monday
Comment #63 | Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 3:52 pm
To JD,

Again, I ask which parts of Obamacare would you eliminate or change?

The major benefits are now the minimum Americans will accept. They will not go back to pre-existing conditions being a reason to be dropped or denied.

They will not let go of included checkups and preventative care.

They shouldn't allow Health Insurance companies spend more than 20% on overhead, profit, etc.

They won't go back to annual or lifetime caps.

Republicans shaped the final law in committee - with Sen. Grassley (R) being the main architect, working off an updated Romney plan. Single payer was the libeeral law we wanted - but the Dems knew they could not get it done at this time - that will come later.

What people don't like about it, is that it forces people to have real policies, and not flim-flam scams. In the overall picture, Obamacare doesn't cost anymore than before (in fact it's cheaper when comparing apples to apples), and the long-term costs go way down as there will be healthier people entering Medicare.

I will say this, Obamacare is just a small step towards the inevitable national health care - which might best be to just extend Medicare to all. Those who want extra coverage can buy it from Blue Cross or the other supplemental insurance companies (as I do now).

The Dems took the deal that Grassley proposed, as it was the only thing that could get 60 votes in the Senate. Since Teddy Roosevelt there had been critically needed plans to improve the US health care system - and this is the best compromise Democrats could get out of the Republicans, for now. Republicans were content to leave everything alone, so long as they got the donations from Insurance Companies - but what a cost to the public. 50 million uninsured, millions of people having to depend on taxpayers to be treated. The CEO of United Healthcare got a billion dollar compensation package - a pig at the public's teat. What we had was a mess, and now we're at least pointing out the failures of the past.

Eventually, demographics will catch up to the office holders, and real Healthcare reform will take place. It may take another 10 or 20 years, but it will be done.


“Truth comes as a conqueror only to those who have lost the art of receiving it as a friend.” - Tagore

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