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Unify our school districts


Thursday, March 6th, 2014
Issue 10, Volume 18.


Our school districts must address key issues in order to face the long term challenges afflicting them. FUESD and FUHSD must start the process of unification. This process will ultimately save millions of dollars per year.

You must change this top heavy system, of administrators, taking six figure salaries while students and teachers go without. We need spending accountability. We cannot continue to have a school board that declines its fiduciary responsibilities. Our district is fraught with waste. It is an unjust state of affairs when administrators choose to attend conferences in Key West and stay in $400 a night rooms and our students are lucky to get one field trip a year.

We cannot allow the remodeling of the superintendent’s office and administrators’ vacations Advertisement
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all across the country usurp funds that belong to students and teachers.

There is competition and choice. Whether you like it or not, the districts are in direct competition for students and funds. You must offer and market more unique opportunities and more educational choices in order to meet the needs of our community.

The FUHSD agriculture program and the CORE program at Iowa St. school are examples of successful programs that should be marketed and expanded. The cutting of the middle school CORE program was a head-scratcher. You cut a successful program in order to subsidize a failing one?

Failing to address these issues will result in the new lanes of the 76 acting as an expressway for the students jettisoning the district.

Bill Leach


 

46 comments

Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #1 | Thursday, Mar 6, 2014 at 7:48 pm
How about parents with children pay?

Why should eighty year old granny have to pay for your children?

Where does it say, "free and public" education?
Comment Profile ImageJoe Naiman
Comment #2 | Thursday, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:23 pm
Once the Bonsall school district transition is complete, the Fallbrook Union High School District will have two feeder districts: the Fallbrook Union Elementary School District and the Vallecitos School District. Any FUHSD/FUESD unification would need to address Vallecitos one way or the other; would Vallecitos be part of the unification and give up its community school district or would Vallecitos become a K-12 district. From what I heard in the 1990s, the reason Fallbrook and Julian hadn't unified was the issue of the smaller feeder elementary school districts (in the case of Julian that means the Spencer Valley elementary school district in Santa Ysabel). As is my policy I will avoid any comments on the merits or lack thereof on the issue itself, but Vallecitos would need to be considered in any FUESD/FUHSD unification scenarios.
Comment Profile ImageKen
Comment #3 | Friday, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:08 pm
I recently inquired how the word "Union" applied to the two separate school districts, FUESD & FUHSD and the answer from a writer clarified it. Not at all what I expected. We moved from a single county school district. This school district has one superintendent that is the administrator over the entire district. Small district? Not really, there are at least 135 schools from Kindergartens thru High Schools along with some science centers and other specialty educational facilities in the single district. So, consolidation and "Unification" can certainly be accomplished. There are many school districts that function with many units very efficiently without the duplication of the administrative overhead and other duplicated services that exist in Fallbrook. Let's have a "Unified" school system and get rid of the misnomer, "Union".
Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #4 | Saturday, Mar 8, 2014 at 1:22 pm
Ken:

UNION is expected, always is. Where does it state "free and public education"?
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #5 | Sunday, Mar 9, 2014 at 2:15 pm
The sad reality is that our education system has come to ONLY revolve around money . . . and education be darned. Money, money and show me the money. ALL parties involved -- administrators, teachers, custodians, bus drivers, et al. -- all have money as their number one priority and not education. Well, THIS is what happens when WE, THE PEOPLE directly don't have a say so. Instead, we have these "middle men" of our beloved government by representation -- board members, et al. -- who make all the decisions which are sometimes dubious, to say the least, while at the same time proclaiming themselves to be "good guys". That is, after all, what politicians, elected officials, et al., claim to be, right? "We are on YOUR side", is their often-heard slogan, right? Well, we clearly see that this isn't so. Far from it. WE, THE PEOPLE fund the purse yet we do not get to make decisions of that money. Can somebody explain to me how that makes any sense, please? The result -- sad result -- is the pathetic state of affairs of our education system.

Oh well.
Comment Profile Imageann
Comment #6 | Monday, Mar 10, 2014 at 6:41 pm
As an FUHSD teacher, I believe that unification would be good for the community. So much money is wasted on twice the administrative overhead and articulation is minimal. Vallecitos needs to get on board, and we need to push this as a priority-or the $150K administrators will just keep sitting on the issue.
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #7 | Tuesday, Mar 11, 2014 at 11:20 am
@ #6 ann

Ann, and what about you teachers? Do you truly believe you are immune to the criticism you make?
Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #8 | Tuesday, Mar 11, 2014 at 1:53 pm
Administration overhead, Teacher overhead.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #9 | Tuesday, Mar 11, 2014 at 2:20 pm
Lee- Did you ever work? How do you pay for the internet services? Ann is trying to make a living; she points out a way to save some $$ for the district, a normal human would say "thank you, Ann for sharing that". How much does she make Lee? any idea? How much SHOULD she make Lee? You offer plenty of criticism, but never a (realistic) solution.

Ann, thank you for your comment - I think you can hire maybe 3 teachers on the one $150K salery- right?
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #10 | Tuesday, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:26 pm
I agree with Ann. Thank you for all your hard work. Asdministrative salaries are over the top.

@Grunt: It is clear from all the errors in Lee's thinking that he never paid much attention in school, therefore, he isn't about to thank a teacher for something he never took advantage of. An education.
Comment Profile ImageLisa
Comment #11 | Wednesday, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:40 am
The 80 year old granny pays for it Ray because she collects Social Security and at some point we need educated youth to pay into the system to keep granny going.

Lee - You have the right to vote for any and all school board members, if in fact you are not a convicted felon. Exercise your rights.
Comment Profile ImageBill Leach
Comment #12 | Wednesday, Mar 12, 2014 at 2:25 pm
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people." - Thomas Jefferson

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it on to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."- Ronald Reagan
Comment Profile ImageBill Leach
Comment #13 | Wednesday, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:34 pm
The point of unification is eliminating duplication and in creating a better transition between Potter and Fallbrook High.

There are three superintendents between just Fallbrook and Rainbow. Each making close to $200,000 plus benefits. They each have their own staff of $100,000 administrators. They each have separate district offices. They each have separate goals for the students.

We can use the money saved on music programs, art, PE teachers for the elementary students, language courses, engineering, science programs, ROTC, etc.

We can use our tax dollars to invest in our children instead of a bunch of useless administrators.
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #14 | Wednesday, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:56 pm
@ #11 Lisa

Lisa, the problem is that we have been saying that for years now -- you can vote for the school board, etc. -- and people have . . . but the results are (A) the same and (B) pathetic. So I have a far better solution.

What if WE, THE PEOPLE voted on things directly WITHOUT a school board and school board members? There's a thought, ey? REAL democracy.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #15 | Wednesday, Mar 12, 2014 at 5:50 pm
Thank you Lee (comment #14) for helping to validate the point I made in comment #10.

Have you ever been to a school board meeting Lee? If so (which I doubt) did you happen to notice the number of voting items on each agenda?
Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #16 | Wednesday, Mar 12, 2014 at 7:50 pm
No Lisa: She has a home that government can levy money off on with endless bond measures. As I stated before, in which document does it say "free and public education", none.

Free education is NOT a right and it should be funded on a play to pay basis. As I stated before, last year I think, Fallbrook would have to start building three new Maie Ellis sized schools just to keep up with the enrollment increases, this means more blood sucking on the tax payer and their property.

My mother, god rest her soul, for Pink, Worked as an educator with the Palomar Community College District. She made more retired on PERS than she did working, thank Jerry Brown back in the 1970`s for that. Our educational system is bloated and needs to be repaired.

All WE as taxpayers are required to supply is a building free of the elements, a teacher, books and a chair, nothing more, no lunch, no baby sitting, no perks, that is the parents job.

Administrators, teachers need to get off the "gravy train" and start contributing more andtaking less. Unions need to be aboliished in our educational syatems. Tenure ends, you fail to perform in the classroom, your fired. Maybe teachers will complain more about illegal aliens this time around if their livelyhood depands on it.

Our educational system receivess billions yet our children are still stupid, I thought the lottery and cigarette settlement was suppose to remedy the funding issues. Time to clean up this donkey once and for all.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #17 | Thursday, Mar 13, 2014 at 7:01 am
Ray - tenure YES, get rid of it - it was devised for college Profs, to allow them to write or speak openly without getting fired - now of course you can only speak of write from the left; but for HS and Elem teachers? Why have it? YES (meaning I agree with you - not the freebie) on the Free Breakfast, Lunch and (dinner?) just another way of increasing welfare without calling it that. Take a sandwich - I did most of my school life. NO on pay as you go - without mandatory schooling we would soon be a nation of ignorant people (more so than now) - if the government requires you to do something they must make if available for you to do so - thus the free and compulsory education. One more thing- American citizens go to school free, Non-citizens or children of non-citizens are billed for the cost. If they can not or will not pay, the government of their home country is bill $ for $ the cost plus administrative fees, if the Government will not pay, reduce ALL aid to that country.
Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #18 | Thursday, Mar 13, 2014 at 9:42 am
Grunt:

The only place "free and public" education is mentioned was in the federalist papers by Thomas Jefferson, the social democrat of his time, other than that, it`s not mentioned anywhere as a right.

Another reason why Jeffertson and the rest mentioned this was for two reasons, one being they felt that uneducated people could not lead a government and two, so everyone would be able to read the bible.

Prior to our current form of education, schools were run mostly by religious organizations or heavy on religious teachings, home schooled was the rule of the day. Unless you were wealthy sending your children off to boarding schools. Government was never really responsible for educating the masses, not until the late 19th century did this nonsense begin.

Today it`s bloated and needs to be accountable for the money it receives.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #19 | Friday, Mar 14, 2014 at 7:19 am
Ray, not arguing the fact that free education is mention anywhere; however it is a good idea - we already have way too many ignorant and uneducated people - people born here of Americans; without a free education we would have two groups- those who parents cared enough to educatre them thus the employeed and those that did not - thus the welfare class which would get bigger and bigger. Look at the countries in the world that do not have free education - America is slowly heading that way; without free education it would be in a race to be the next Somalia.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #20 | Friday, Mar 14, 2014 at 9:21 am
I agree with you 100% Grunt. I have answered this question before, but apparently Ray didn't like the answer, and that is fine. A "free" education is implied. Nothing is free of course, and it is actually paid for by the majority of us through our property taxes and other fees, but like you Grunt, I would prefer to see people educated on my dime rather than have a nation of full of dolts. We already see the evidence of poor and limited education in the comments of certain people on this blog.

I know that this will get me in trouble with some people here, but I also firmly believe in a free lunch program. A hot lunch at school, in many instances, is the only real meal some children receive!! An education and healthy eating habits should be a top priority for all of us, if we want our country to survive.
Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #21 | Friday, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:57 am
Pink:

What I am trying to say is that people with children need to kick in more and people without should pay less. Nothing is free, I beg to differ.

Implied and right are too different tjhings but when you talk about public education, it`s considered by most as a right, it`s not.

All that is required is a building teacher and chair, it`s up to the parents to make sure their children has the necessary tools to complete their education, food included.

In my day, brown bag or my Rat Patrol lunch box worked for me.

excuses... excuses... Library cards are still free, right?

I support a pay to play approach to public education or at least increased condom production so tjhe rest of us can get a break.
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Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #22 | Friday, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:00 am
Just so everyone knows, I used to own a home in Escondido, when my taxes were more than my bank note increasing every election cycle, bond measure after bond measure, I dumped that money pit.
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Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #23 | Friday, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:08 am
Our immigration system works fine, fix our broken education system first.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #24 | Friday, Mar 14, 2014 at 12:56 pm
All I can say Ray, is that I would prefer to pay for their education now, rather than their incarceration later.
Comment Profile ImageAnon
Comment #25 | Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:02 pm
In the Americans with Disability Act, A Free and Appropriate Public Education is given to children with disability. There's your mention of free.

Ray, as a teacher, sure would like to see you spend a week or two in the classroom. You might have a little more respect.
Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #26 | Sunday, Mar 16, 2014 at 10:57 am
Anon: As a taxpayer, I would like to see you to contribute more to your retirement and Medical insurance.
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Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #27 | Sunday, Mar 16, 2014 at 11:10 am
Anon:

You say you are a teacher? Where did I eference the ADA Act, I was talking about education (public) in general and it`s reference to (free and public).

Now being a teacher, you should be a better listener and reader, I really hate to see the students under your charge, maybe that is why (teachers) are against the abolishment of tenure and merit.

Once again, where does it say (free and public) education? Being an educator, this should be an easy one for you.

Pink:

Paying for their education now does not guarentee that they will not be locked up later. Considering what is being taught, I am suprised these children can write their names and create a sentence especially in California.

Once again, education is what you make of it and library cards are still free.
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Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #28 | Sunday, Mar 16, 2014 at 4:53 pm
Anon:

But..... why should pay for people with problem children? Justice Oliver Wendell Homes did in one of his ruling approve and support sterilization of parents who have had problem (defective)children. Sounds kind of Mengele to me but why should "we" pay because someone used meth during their pregnancy?

Educational system......pay to play,. the only way.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #29 | Sunday, Mar 16, 2014 at 7:39 pm
Ray, you lack knowledge. Not all childhood disabilities are caused by parental drug use. Downs Syndrome, for instance is caused by an extra chromosone. My precious granddaughter has Autism. That is neurological! Her siblings are fine. No problems. Re-read what Anon has to say: The ADA says "A free and public education is given to children with disabilities."

How sad our society has become, when someone like you feels they have the right to decide who lives or dies, who is fit to be educated and who isn't. From what you repeatedly tell us about your life Ray, you live on the dole in a hole in Vista, so I doubt, very seriously, if you are paying ANY taxes to put anyone through school, so what is your problem? I think you just like to have something to complain about.
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Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #30 | Sunday, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:51 pm
Oh.... and by the way Ray, I obviously understand that providing someone with an education, does not guarantee that they won't end up being incarcerated. After all, look how many white collar criminals with an Ivy League education end up in the gray bar motel. Nothing is guaranteed, but I would wager that someone with a good education has a better chance than someone who has no education at all.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #31 | Monday, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:28 am
Ray, I beleive the plan was to sterilize parents who were (what is the PC term for retarted?) to prevent them having children - not to sterilize the parents based on the out come of the child. If we do not pay for the children of meth users NOW, we wil pay a greater amount later - call it preventive maitenance. Now I am in favor of stop giving higher and higher welfare payments as a "reward" for having more fatherless children.
Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #32 | Monday, Mar 17, 2014 at 4:32 pm
Literal Pink:
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Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #33 | Monday, Mar 17, 2014 at 4:44 pm
Pink:

Watch COPS?
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #34 | Monday, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:38 pm
My husband occasionally watches COPS Ray. I am usually in the office/den reading a book. What is your point? What does it have to do with the subject of education? I must say, that the people I have glimpsed on COPS being brought out in cuffs and taken away, never appear to be very intelligent. Friends of yours?
Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #35 | Tuesday, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:15 am
Anyone catch the news last might. The Sweetwater School District teachers are prepared to strike over salary, Health benefits and class sizes. I mean really, they only work nine months out of the year, they already receive Cadillac benefits an for class sizes, they only have themselves to blame, they could have solved that problem back in the 1990`s but teachers and their toxic unions were on the other side of reality.

For what teachers do vs what they are paid way above what the private sector makes for the same type work. The health care the receive is far better than we receive usually Blue Cross top tier which is required by the union contact.

Class sizes are large because they balked on support of proposition #187 which would have decreased class sizes and endless bond measures.

As I see it, teachers should not complain, thy are compensated accordingly, it`s we the taxpayer who pays the price.
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Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #36 | Tuesday, Mar 18, 2014 at 12:36 pm
I could tell you folks the REALITY of things but I would most likely be censored but we control our own destiny, we are the ones who create our own plight, we are the ones to blame, not society.

But we live in a "gimmie" climate.

Not at this address.
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Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #37 | Tuesday, Mar 18, 2014 at 12:40 pm
San Marcos has a nice old school house, now a bbq pit but it`s a reminder of when public education was "not" considered a right or fouled up.

Pay to Play folks.
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Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #38 | Tuesday, Mar 18, 2014 at 2:12 pm
You see all those tax credits for people with children, low income school meals and discounts on bus passes, how about a tax credit for people who don`t bilk the system?

Be nice.
Comment Profile ImageGRUNT
Comment #39 | Tuesday, Mar 18, 2014 at 5:42 pm
What I would love to see is the schools reporting the number of non-US citizens in the classroom, then the Dept. of State going after their country and demanding payment - what ever the state pays per pupil. Since Mexico would not pay, deduct that amount from the aid we give it,, and have the Feds give that money to the state.
Comment Profile ImageRedneck Bill
Comment #40 | Tuesday, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:36 pm
So Ray I mean this in the spirit of Christ, but in #36 you said we control our own destiny. Can you explain why you would want to live in your car if you control such things. And I'm going to say ixnay on mom as an excuse. Thanks man.
Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #41 | Wednesday, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:45 am
Grunt:

Back in the 1980`s people would watch American school busses at the border picking up Mexican children. People were outraged buit the practice continues today. This is what sparked proposition #187.

The US has always been a safety valve for Mexico and it`s poverty problems. In a report last week, Telemundo had a report saying Mexico`s middle class growing. It`s not growing, it`s poverty is shrinking, it`s over here.

In order for US schools to keep up with the flood, schools must be built and quickly which means more of our tax dollars spent and more bond measures issued.

Teachers demanding more in Cadillac health care plans and fortune 500 style salaries for basically not a difficult job, it`s time for a major change in our educational system.

Redneck Bill: Your interest in my status is kind of "strange" and grossly out of date. That is what happens when you miss staff meetings.
Comment Profile ImageBill Leach
Comment #42 | Wednesday, Mar 19, 2014 at 2:18 pm
Pls help the effort to unify these districts by following. www.twitter.com/UnifyFallbrook
Comment Profile ImageRedneck Bill
Comment #43 | Friday, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:11 pm
Come on Ray. You calling someone strange is like the pot calling the kettle black.

You are a prolific writer on this blog. Type in Ray (the real one) and you will see where you wrote that you were living in your car.

And then above in #36 you write we control our own destiny. I've lived in my car. I didn't like it. Are you telling us you do?

Can't you ever begin to see that all of us are subject to misfortune, no matter our country of origin or our race?

I know you can't or won't. Tom taught you well. But look at where it got him. Before the lights go out, you need to get rid of the hate.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #44 | Saturday, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:30 am
Amen Redneck. Ray makes me so mad sometimes that I see red, at other times his brokenness just makes me cry.
Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #45 | Saturday, Mar 22, 2014 at 3:28 pm
Redneck Bill:

I only fixed Tom`s computers, My opinions come from the streets of south Chicago.

Yes, I did live in my car but I rebounded, people do that. As for destiny, think I proved that already.

Your point being?
Comment Profile ImageYou've got to be kidding
Comment #46 | Wednesday, Jun 11, 2014 at 6:20 pm
I think Lee is right on! From now on, MONEY should NOT be distributed in return for services provided! In exchange, teachers and other government employees should be paid in chickens! Then, they could take those chickens and trade them for other goods they need! By all means, let's bring back the pure barter system, and do away with ANY green paper, that...that....uh.....

Lee, honestly, do you actually READ the blather you type? OF COURSE they care about MONEY, Lee! It's, oh, I don't know, let me see if I can remember, OH YEAH, HOW THEY PAY FOR CLOTHES, FOOD, MORTGAGES, GAS, and the like so they can take care of their families! What do you expect them to do? Make the same amount of money as their professions paid twenty years ago? As the cost of living goes up every year? Or should they just go to work and not be paid at all?

You went to school, correct? Were taught to think, right? Try doing that before you hit "submit".

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