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Two vehicle crash causes PT Cruiser to run off roadway, down embankment, and catch on fire

Tuesday, December 24th, 2013
Issue 52, Volume 17.
Debbie Ramsey
Managing Editor


The California Highway Patrol has confirmed that a two vehicle accident occurred Monday night, December 23, at approximately 6:14 p.m. at Old Highway 395 and West Lilac Road in Bonsall

According to CHP officer Curtis Martin, the two vehicles involved were a 2004 Chevrolet Impala and a 2002 Chrysler PT Cruiser.

Martin said the PT Cruiser's driver, Juan Garcia, 41, of Escondido was traveling southbound on Old Highway 395 and had the right-of-way when the driver of the Impala, George Gartel, 22, of Temecula proceeded eastbound on West Lilac Road past a Advertisement
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stop sign, causing the collision.

"Gartel pulled in front of Garcia and the collision sent the PT Cruiser over the edge of the roadway," said Martin. The PT Cruiser, with Garcia inside, then traveled about 25 feet down an embankment.

"Luckily Mr. Garcia got out of the vehicle quickly because after traveling down the embankment, the [PT Cruiser] burst into flames and adjoining brush caught on fire," said Martin.

"It ended up being a non-injury accident," said Martin.

Neither drugs or alcohol played a factor in the colllision, but Martin said Garcia was an unlicensed driver.



Comment Profile ImageA 54 Yr Old Grandma
Comment #1 | Tuesday, Dec 24, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Glad to hear no one was badly injured.
Comment Continued : The comment above was written from the same location.
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Comment Profile ImageA 54 Yr Old Grandma
Comment #2 | Tuesday, Dec 24, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Good job with an update Village News. Mr. Gartel running a stop sign and almost killing someone? I hope you give thanks to God tri-fold this Holiday for a life that was saved regardless of your wreckless driving.
Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #3 | Wednesday, Dec 25, 2013 at 2:34 am

Illegal alien.
Comment Profile ImageWizard of Fallbrook
Comment #4 | Wednesday, Dec 25, 2013 at 8:14 am
the driving around here is ridiculous........wrecks all week every week....Glad everyone was ok in this one........Merry Christmas all
Comment Profile ImageThe Magic is in Believing
Comment #5 | Wednesday, Dec 25, 2013 at 9:33 pm
Wow Two very blessed men
Awesome they lived to tell the story
Comment Profile ImageZZZ
Comment #6 | Thursday, Dec 26, 2013 at 2:32 pm
What about the wreck on So Mission at 4:30 Tuesday?? (Between Fallbrook and Bonsall)
Comment Profile Imageconcern resident
Comment #7 | Sunday, Dec 29, 2013 at 12:58 am
What does not having a lic or being illegal have anything to do with it. The whole point is that the lic driver was driving wreckless. Thank God there was no inguries. That intersection is so scary I drive it every morning to tske my kids to school it is scary how people drive.
Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #8 | Monday, Dec 30, 2013 at 10:28 am
B E C A U S E Concerned resident.....,.,. People without licenses are three times higher for having accidents than licensed drivers. Illegals driving has always been a problem.
Comment Profile ImageCarla
Comment #9 | Monday, Dec 30, 2013 at 6:24 pm
@8 Because you are a racist who believes that anyone with a Spanish name is an undocumented migrant whether they are or not. The article doesn't say what his citizen/ immigration status is. It does indicate that Mr Garcia had the right of way and that the driver with the non-Spanish last name ran the stop sign. But why let facts get in the way?
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #10 | Monday, Dec 30, 2013 at 7:08 pm
not having a license can mean 1) not familiar with local (i.e. CA) laws. 2) not use to speeds and actions of local (i.e. American) drivers. 3) not having insurance and not caring. 4) poorly maintained vehicle - which then is more likely to be involved in accidents. Oh, yeah, It Is A Violation Of the LAW.
Comment Profile ImageRedneck Bill
Comment #11 | Monday, Dec 30, 2013 at 10:50 pm
Ray said,

"People without licenses are three times higher for having accidents than licensed drivers."

If Ray had the basic language skills of our country, perhaps he would have said, "people without licenses are 3 times more likely to have accidents than licensed drivers."

But this brings up a couple points.

First Ray, you know I have nothing but the utmost respect for your facts and figures, but could you please cite a source for the 3 times more likely statement? I think I know you well enough to know you would never, ever, pull something like that out of the back end. But a source would go a long way in maintaining your impeccable credibility.

Next, estimates tell us there are as many as 12 million or more people in the US illegally. I don't know how well your brain computes large numbers, but that is a lot of people. The fact is, even if we wanted, we don't have the capability to detain or remove that many people.

Since the people you hate are here and not going anywhere, wouldn't it make more sense to identify and license them, so that when vehicle accidents or other problems that we are all prone to occur, there is a rational and legal manner of dealing with them?
Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #12 | Monday, Dec 30, 2013 at 11:55 pm
Red: It`s not language skills, it`s condensing my comments, unlike Monday, I try not to sell my next book. First source is NTSB, State police agencies nationwide, The insurance industry just to name a few all show that unlicensed drivers cause more accidents. Should not have to explain what is available on a Google search.

Remember back in the 1990`s, what did you pay for insurance yearly? than what did you pay when the law passed barring illegals from driving? I don`t know about you but looking at some old paper, close to $1.200.00.

Driving is a privledge, not a right although Californians will argue that point which carries some basic requirements, a license, insurance and the skils to oerate a vehicle safely, I`ll debate Californians flunk the last one.

Now basic math skills that at $10.00 an hour, family of five, food, rent, electrical, fuel, etc there is little money left for Allstate but enough for Budweiser, another issue I have addressed numerous times before.

Do you actually know the requirements in Mexico to obtain a drivers license? most Californians would fail as do most Mexicans thus the "we don`t need no stinkin` license" syndrome, maybe that is why the law was changed. Now they want to repeat the disasters of the past, deaths on freeways will increase, you can count on it.

But why am I here explaining something to you your smart enough to know already, you been around, have eyes and can add and subtract, right?

Next topic.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #13 | Tuesday, Dec 31, 2013 at 8:41 am
@Carla: Thanks girlfriend, you got there before I did. Mr. Garcia is the innocent victim here Ray, did you actually read the article, or did you just see the Hispanic sounding surname and assume the worst? We are a nation of immigrants, and while I agree that we have a problem with illegals, especially in border states, it would be impossible to round up and deport every single person who has come across from Mexico, or elsewhere. Honestly Ray, your blatant racism tends to negate any possible points that you try to make. I wonder if you know that the Bay Area (San Francisco) is full of illegal immigrants from.... drum roll please.... Ireland. How would you go about rounding all them, arrest and detain everyone with red hair?
Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #14 | Wednesday, Jan 1, 2014 at 1:40 pm

Once again you see things in the literal, not the overall. My comments are in relation to the "big picture" not in the local incident.

You need to get out of Fallbrook more.......

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