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People who become lost or injured in San Diego County could be billed for rescue

Sunday, September 1st, 2013
Issue 35, Volume 17.

SAN DIEGO - People who become lost or injured in San Diego County as a result of illegal activity could be billed for recovery expenses under an ordinance amended in July.

Supervisors amended San Diego County Ordinance 364.1 to allow up to $12,000 in recovery expenses from individuals who become lost or injured as a result of violating federal, state or local laws. Under the amended ordinance, law breakers can also be arrested or cited for criminal offenses.

The fees only apply to those who break the law, Advertisement
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such as a rescue operation as a result of illegal drinking.

With hot and humid conditions continuing this Labor Day weekend, the Sheriff's Department also encourages hikers to play it safe by not hiking alone, telling someone where you're going and when you're expected back, knowing your limits and not pushing your capabilities, carrying a cell phone, wearing proper clothing and bringing ample food, water, sunscreen, a flashlight, a map, a GPS device, a first-aid kit and a multi-purpose tool or a knife and a whistle when hiking



Comment Profile ImageMe
Comment #1 | Monday, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:11 am
Yeah....God forbid that our first responders actually have to do their jobs (what we already pay them to do)..... rescuing people instead of sitting at the firehouse playing cards.....
Comment Profile ImageReality Checker
Comment #2 | Monday, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:10 am
It's about time idiots that get themselves stuck somewhere are held accountable for the cost of rescuing their dumb arses.
Comment Profile ImageJboy
Comment #3 | Monday, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:21 am
My response is along the same line as comment #1. We need to get away from the hero worship of our first responders. They signed up for the job and, for the most part, they are very well paid for the work they do. I'm tired of hearing that they underpaid for their perceived hero status.
A few years back I read that there are always several hundred firefighter applications on file with NCFPD.....
Comment Profile ImageMolly M
Comment #4 | Monday, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:39 am
To "Me" - This will apply, as it says in the article, "to those who break the law". Maybe along with the TV coverage, the reporters can add how much that particular rescue operation will cost those being rescued. I say, it's about time.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #5 | Monday, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:46 am
@ME - this is for illegal activities - it will help the county recoup the cost of gasoline used - what in the world do you and lee have against the fire fighters?
Comment Profile Image@me
Comment #6 | Monday, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:10 am
Someone's jealous of my job...
Comment Profile ImageJoemamma
Comment #7 | Monday, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:11 am
What is illegal drinking? Drinking where you shouldn't be or just being drunk? As much as I don't agree with getting so wasted you can't take care of yourself. We do take care of all sorts of other stupid things with our tax dollars. Say someone left a candle burning and went out, when the house catches fire the (tax paid for) fire departments respond. Nobody seems to have a problem with this even though it was a stupid accident. The taxes already collected paid for the services. Or someone suffers heat stoke while hiking on a 100+ degree day. It could be argued that it was stupid to go hiking. It just seems to me that we are already taking care of stupid, and we are already paying for rescue services, how do you change part of it but not all of it? Stop paying or stop taking care of stupid.
Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #8 | Monday, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:23 am
This should weed out all the dummies who lack anykind of common sense. Now I can understand if you are bitten by a snake but all the other nonsense "X" sports nonsense I say bill them. Hikers, try bringing a Garmin with you or a basic first aid kit. Try not doing activities you know nothing of. This "nanny nonsense" must stop and hitting the wallets of the dumb is a good start.
Comment Profile ImageMe
Comment #9 | Monday, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:03 am
To@me....Sorry I wouldn't want your job. I'd feel guilty taking taxpayer money for sitting on my butt all day.

What county supervisors should do is require firemen to cut weeds throughout the county while they await fire calls.....instead of playing cards.

Let them earn their keep.
Comment Profile Imageclanem
Comment #10 | Monday, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:35 am
It should apply to all people whether it's illegal or not. There are some that just push the limits. We should not be liable for that. Ski accidents, cliff climbing , para-sailing, car accidents,etc.. This would reduce the costs to the homeowners property taxes. That money will have to be refunded to the taxpayers who is paying the bills or adjusted each year on the property taxes.
Comment Profile Imagetwo thumbs up
Comment #11 | Monday, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:46 am
It's about time these irresponsible morons pay for their rescue.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #12 | Monday, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:21 pm
@ @me - your a fire fighter? perhaps you should invite "me" along for a day - let him pull a dead kid from a car; see the mangled bodies crying for help in a car crash; go into a burning fire - then he could complain about not pulling weeds. ME -it is like life/car insurance - it sits around doing nothing and you hope you don't need it, but when you do you are glad it is there.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #13 | Monday, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:09 pm
@Me: But you evidently don't feel guilty for taking tax payer money for sitting at a Dunkin's eating donuts all day when you were a cop huh? I guess you are all for wasting taxpayer monies on idiots who go out and get wasted and then get their dumb butts lost though. It appears that your hatred for all firefighters has seriously clouded your "alleged" judgement.
Comment Profile ImageMe
Comment #14 | Monday, Sep 2, 2013 at 7:15 pm
Hey grunt. I worked my way up to Lieutenant.... spending over 10 years in a very large police department and in my spare time I served as an Asst. Commander and EMT of a volunteer ambulance/rescue squad for almost 8 years. (yes, I, and others, DONATED 15-20 hours per week).

There is nothing that @me is going to show me that I haven't seen thousands of times. I saw more in one week than @me probably sees in a year. It's always humorous though when somebody like you comes out with the old "you should ride-along to see nonsense....."

Oh and Pink.....while I thoroughly enjoyed Dunkin Donuts on my off time, I never once set foot in a donut shop while on duty. Anyway trying to compare a 10 minute coffee break we were lucky to even be able to the loafing your firemen do here 99.99% of the time is ludicrous...even for you.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #15 | Tuesday, Sep 3, 2013 at 8:25 am
@Me: I don't believe you. I think you spent 95% of your time sitting on your fanny at a donut shop. After all, you believe that ALL firefighters sit on theirs, why should we take the word of a "cop" that you didn't spend your time at a coffee shop? I could list all the things that my husband did in his career, but you would say "he signed up for it", well, you are correct he did. So did you, so don't go patting yourself on the back for what you did either. No firefighters are hero's huh, they are all lazy huh? Obviously you have never heard of 911 or the Twin Towers. Guess you don't remember the firefighters risking their lives, guess you never saw them raising the American flag over the ashes, guess you never heard about the death count. Guess you were too busy complaining about all the things you perceive they don't do.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #16 | Tuesday, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:54 am
@ Me - did not know you were a cop - and what did you mean by the "some one like you"?
Comment Profile ImageMe
Comment #17 | Tuesday, Sep 3, 2013 at 3:16 pm
@Pink....comparing San Diego County firemen to the REAL heroes in New York? Where they raced up 102 stories knowing that they will probably not make it the guys around here whose main concern is whether they need a step ladder to put out that chimney fire in the local one story bungalow? That's funny.

I never said "no firefighters" are heroes. I knew probably 65 or 70 of the New York/New Jersey firemen and nearly all of the guys from both the PD and Port Authority Police that were killed.......'s the area where I worked remember? But of know better right?

Those guys were heroes. And THEY work hard. Many of them often don't even get to see the station. They spend their days going from one call to the next....and yet I never heard them complaining.

Here, our little princesses spend their days whining about how tough they have it. I thought their heads would explode when they finally were forced to actually have to put some of their earnings into their pensions....something we all did 30 years ago....10% of our paychecks to be exact. Then they complain about having to drive in a gay pride parade....or their firehouse is too old.....or we should be able to retire at 50, bla bla bla bla. The fire departments around here are single-handedly bankrupting city after city with their ridiculous demands...

And @grunt. I didn't mean anything bad by that comment....I actually like you.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #18 | Tuesday, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:11 pm
@Me, well I finally got you to admit there are good and decent firefighters. Did I push your buttons? Good. However, I take exception to your comments that the only "heroes" are on the east coast. That is bull and you know it. You are blinded by your own prejudice Are some firefighters jerks? Sure. In the course of my husband's career I've met a few who are. I've also met some seriously bad cops, at least two worthless doctors. The list goes on. Are you on the fire board? Do you attend meetings? I have met several local firefighters and I know the chief personally. The things you are saying simply don't hold water.
Comment Profile ImageJR
Comment #19 | Tuesday, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:38 pm
I'm thankful for firefighters and paramedics. Every time I hear the sirens it reminds me to say a little prayer for them and the person/people in need of their services. They've been lifesaving for my family, along with the CHP and Sheriff's department.
Comment Profile ImageS
Comment #20 | Wednesday, Sep 4, 2013 at 4:45 pm
I'm not sure about San Diego, but in Riverside County I was part of a search and rescue team and we didn't get paid from the county. We were all volunteer and were supported by fund raisers and donations. That being said, I'm in agreement that people that need rescue assistance while doing illegal activity (underage drinking would be one, trespass on private peroperty, etc.) should get a bill. Unfortunately being stupid in and of itself cannot be considered illegal Even though we, as individuals, didn't get paid, there were still expenses incurred, such as rescue vehicles and equipment.
There is some good advice here...let someone know where you're going and when you expect to return, bring water, a whistle, etc.
Comment Profile ImageFire Captain
Comment #21 | Sunday, Sep 8, 2013 at 1:22 pm
Isn't it interesting that EVERY TIME "Me" is asked to show proof about his very serious allegations against NCFPD you never hear from him again, until another thread where he makes the same allegtions with the same lack of proof..... smoke and mirrors, no substance.
Comment Profile ImageMe
Comment #22 | Thursday, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 pm
@Hey Fire Captain....isn't it time to wash the hero you.
Comment Continued : The comment above was written from the same location.
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Comment Profile ImageMe
Comment #23 | Thursday, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:43 pm
And what" serious allegations against NCFPD" are those Captain? Funny thing, that's the first time I ever typed I guess it would have been pretty hard to make "serious allegations" against an organization I never once mentioned by name......Now go out and cut some brush.

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