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Is Fallbrook under attack?


Thursday, August 29th, 2013
Issue 35, Volume 17.
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Apparently, the draw down of our forces in the Middle East has orphaned so many helicopter squadrons that they have redeployed in the area around Fallbrook - to the point that peace and quiet in our neighborhoods are a thing of the past. One after another, at all hours, they fly overhead shaking windows and making conversations at a normal level impossible.

Whatís really aggravating is the knowledge that they have plenty of alternative practice areas offshore of Pendleton and desert ranges around Twenty Nine Palms that could be utilized without making life miserable for residents in populated areas such as Fallbrook.

Looking down the road, the likelihood of these aircraft being deployed for further action is remote. The conventional war approach is a thing of the past. If I see drones flying overhead, that would be another matter and by the way, they donít make racket.

Bill Campbell


 

39 comments

Comment Profile ImageRobert
Comment #1 | Thursday, Aug 29, 2013 at 3:12 pm
I know this has been said time and again to people like Billy but begs repeating. Congratulations!!! YOU bought a house right next to the 2nd largest by area and most populated Marine Corps base in the world. I'm not sure if you bought it sight unseen, or your left the research into the area totally up to your realtor, but here you are. As a retired Marine I can set up a town hall meeting with as many armless, legless, and TBI damaged Marines that you want to let them know that you don't appreciate that they didn't keep it quiet for you since you decided to move here and that their full duty brethren are continuing to impact your quality of life. I also have a personal friend from my AMTRAC unit in 2003 who is missing most of the bone in his face from artillery round shrapnel. I'm sure he would be very empathetic to the horrors you have to deal with on daily basis.
Comment Profile ImageFR86
Comment #2 | Thursday, Aug 29, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Yes Fallbrook is under attack but by the people like Mr. Campbell. In the last two issues of the FVN there have been complaints about Camp Pendleton and the noise from artillery and helicopters, the danger of the coyotes and other wildlife encroaching on populated areas of Fallbrook.

I will again ask the question.......Why did you people move here since all of these "negative" features of Fallbrook were here long before you all came.
Comment Profile ImageUgh
Comment #3 | Thursday, Aug 29, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Hey Bill, just how do you think they would get from Camp Pendleton to 29 Palms? As far as I'm aware, the military does not yet use teleportation devices. Most helicopters that fly over Fallbrook are leaving or returning to Pendleton, they don't "practice" anything over the town other than getting where they're going.

Sorry if the noise bothers you, but this is a town that border a military base and aircraft actually have to fly to get where they're going. It's not like Pendleton suddenly sprung up out of nowhere recently.
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #4 | Thursday, Aug 29, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Bill, I almost agree.

The last sentence is the one that gets me: drones, like helicopters, kill, too, thus NOT making them better . . . whatever that may mean in the act of killing.

Bill, the reason why so many helicopters and ospreys are flying over Fallbrook is simple: great PR. Have you noticed that in recent years they are flying lower and lower? Why do you think that is? Great PR, baby. Heck, read some comments on these message boards: the same old "rah-rah" and "let's go get 'em" attitude. Nothing has changed: killing by helicopters or drones is the same thing except for the means. Heck, drones now allow the killer to kill people with the convenience of sitting in an air-conditioned room far, far away. . . and NOT having to look at the consequences in person. Yippie! Heck, all the killer has to do is sip on a cold energy drink so that, you know, the killin' numbers are consistent. Killing via videos has been taught to the new generation via violent video games, etc., which can then be applied ten or so years later in real life situations: the killin' fields.

Yes yes, let's go get 'em, kill 'em . . . and enjoy our paychecks.

PS. You do realize you're gonna hear about your phrase, " . . . without making life miserable for residents in populated areas such as Fallbrook?" Oh boy.
Comment Profile ImageZZZ
Comment #5 | Thursday, Aug 29, 2013 at 4:40 pm
If we see drones flying overhead, and they can legally shoot at anything... America, as we have known it, past, gone, done forever. It is sickening.
Comment Profile ImageRobert
Comment #6 | Thursday, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:19 pm
@lee ...Do you really believe that Marine Aircraft are being flown over the area for PR? I can't tell what type of 'center of the universe' you are. Either you are on the verge of homelessness or one of the prima donnas on a hill. Allowing people who are liable to be put in harms way to train to serve a country full of ingrates like yourself is not ' rah rah' or "lets go get em". I'm sure if you had a family members ' stupid" enough to actually serve the country you would have a different opinion. If you don't like the noise move...it's that simple...no rah rah, no love it or leave it...no jingoism....just learn from this experience if you are able to learn and realize that you need to do something many people call "Research". Learn about and read about an area before you buy...the WHOLE area, not just the house to your right and left.
Comment Profile ImagePlease help
Comment #7 | Thursday, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Can one of Mr. Campbell's neighbors please cut the chain that's confining him to his porch? The guy needs to pack his moving van. Thanks. #don't let the door hit you...
Comment Profile Image31 year Fallbrook Resident
Comment #8 | Friday, Aug 30, 2013 at 5:11 am
Moving to Fallbrook in the early 80's and never living near a military base we had no expectations. Grade school with Marine families, sports with Marine families, High School with Marine "FRIENDS".......Now that I am raising my family the cycle continues! I love to hear the artillery training at night, i love to see the night flares light up the sky, the whole 15 seconds that it takes the Helicopters to fly over my house "YES! I live under the flight path" I look up and listen. I was never in the Military, My Wife is a Navy kid but I can appreciate and RESPECT what these men and woman of every branch of our Military do for, Not only for the people of Fallbrook but for the Nation! STARTING: Non-Profit all VOLUNTEER moving company - Not Happy in Fallbrook? Our All Volunteer movers will pack you up and move you anywhere in less that 24 hours!
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #9 | Friday, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:01 am
Bill, the other two issues that need to be taken into consideration are, as I have stated previously, whether all the hootin', tootin and galootin' bombings which, let us not kid ourselves, are small temblors on the magnitude of around 2.0 I would suspect, weaken the structural integrity of our homes, businesses, schools, churches, etc., to the point that when "the big one" hits, their structural demise is certain.

Two, most people are not aware that . . . our military is THE greatest environmental polluter . . . on the planet. Should we, Fallbrookers and all north county residents, also be subjected to this pollution on a constant basis? Surely, there can be no opposition to environmental pollution and those it affects the most, our children and the elderly.

www.projectcensored.org/2-us-department-of-defense-is-the-worst-polluter-on-the-planet/

earthfirstnews.wordpress.com/2012/10/02/filthy-war-machine-us-military-industrial-complex-worlds-worst-polluter/

www.alternet.org/story/85186/the_pentagon_is_america's_biggest_polluter
Comment Profile ImageFR86
Comment #10 | Friday, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:24 am
Bill when you leave take Lee with you.
Comment Profile ImageMike
Comment #11 | Friday, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:04 am
I hear the sound of freedom! Semper Fi!!!
Comment Profile ImageWrenchers
Comment #12 | Friday, Aug 30, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Historically, the government has always been the worst violators of it's own laws.

It's my understanding that Groom Lake in Nevada (Area 51 USAF Installation) will end-up being one of the absolute worst eco-assaults to date. Thousands of drums of toxic waste, spent lubricants, and other nasties have been buried there on a regular basis since the early days of the U2, and they still continue to do so today.

If that was a private enterprise, the owners would be in jail. However, since it's a government entity, it's perfectly acceptable.

Just don't tell anyone O.K?

And Mike? I was always under the impression that it was "Let the Bells of freedom Ring".

I guess it could be "Let the Rotor Blades of Freedom Ring". But it just seems to put a different spin on that whole "Freedom" thing.
Comment Profile Imagefallbrook mama
Comment #13 | Friday, Aug 30, 2013 at 12:42 pm
Right on Robert!! I grew up in this town and the sounds from the base do not bother me one bit. My father was military as well as my late husband and both of my sons. In fact one of my sons flew those helicopters you complain about.
Why did you buy a home here if you knew it was close to a military base? There are a lot of other places in this state that you could have moved to.
So if you don't like it here....move. And as FB86 said "take Lee with you"
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #14 | Friday, Aug 30, 2013 at 2:19 pm
@ #12 Wrenchers

Hear, hear!
Comment Profile ImageJoemamma
Comment #15 | Friday, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:02 pm
I was watching Apocalypse Now the other day and the helicopters flew over the house just in time to give me the best surround sound experience I've ever had. The only thing that could have been better would be if they had been playing Ride of the Valkyries.
Comment Profile ImageKenXo
Comment #16 | Saturday, Aug 31, 2013 at 7:27 am
Bill,

Are you sure you're not confusing the Sheriff helicopter traffic from the Fallbrook Airpark with Marine Corp helicopters? I've lived in this area most of my life and the Marines typically fly into MCAS Pendleton at about 1,500 to 2,000 feet of altitude. Yes, it makes a decent racket but as others have said, it isn't like they opened the base yesterday so you should have known it was there.

The SD Sheriff set up a remote base about 3-4 years ago at the Fallbrook Airpark and make daily low altitude flights from there. I live right across from the airpark and agree sometimes it sounds like they are going to land in my front yard. I've even waved to the pilots as they swing around to land because they are only about 200-300 feet above me.

When I bought my home here I received a stack of paper that clearly disclosed I was purchasing property near a major military base and regional airpark and to expect noise as well as air traffic associated with these installations. I recommend you take a look at your escrow paperwork as I believe you'll find you were provided the same.

By the way, I grew up in Escondido and can tell you that even 20 miles away you're going to hear artillery and helicopters so I recommend maybe performing a little more due diligence if you choose to move to a quieter locale.
Comment Profile ImageChesty Puller
Comment #17 | Saturday, Aug 31, 2013 at 8:44 am
It all boils down to this: The USMC needs to practice shooting at targets and using up all the ammunition that's available or they'll lose their allotment for next year...use it or lose it and they have so much left over it's being used 24/7. get some earplugs
Comment Profile ImageSound of Freedom
Comment #18 | Sunday, Sep 1, 2013 at 5:17 am
Lived in FB for close to 15 years now. The Choppers and artillery donít bother me one bit. Far better than an Air Force Base with jet fighters day and night. If you folks donít like it, pack up and go! Marines are here to stay and they make noise.

I believe a bigger problem is all the Riff-Raff and Illegalís that have invaded our area over the last few years. Both Petty & Violent Crime is up and gangs from Oceanside have moved into our fine area. Fallbrook High has been infiltrated and drugs, gangs and yes, even prostitution has invaded this once fine school. You want to complain about something, start with something that matters.
Comment Profile ImageSeriously
Comment #19 | Sunday, Sep 1, 2013 at 6:53 am
@ for Free America,

They fly over Fallbrook to get to areas in which they are going to train. They fly over Fallbrook to get to areas in which student pilots are taught how to fly. They fly over Fallbrook because most of the less populated training areas are off-base to the east and it's the most convenient route that doesn't have much other air traffic to contend with (they also often fly up and down the coast, but complaining Fallbrookians seem to be convinced that this is the center of the universe and only they have helos flying over). Of COURSE they are pilots building qualifications, so that when they have to do critical missions they're not crashing into mountain sides/each other, why else do you think the military trains at all?

As far as the pilots not "caring" about Fallbrook, some of them live here. My recently retired UH-1 Huey pilot husband and I have for years before he retired. We're people just like you. We have homes just like you. We have jobs just like you. We do what our boss tells us to just like you. We don't go out of our way to irritate or annoy people while on the job, just like you. Sorry that you chose to live next to where we work.
Comment Profile ImageRSL
Comment #20 | Sunday, Sep 1, 2013 at 5:47 pm
Bill, you are hearing the sounds of freedom. Be thankful.

Say a prayer for those who are stationed at Pendleton, especially those who were in harms way.

Say another prayer for those, regardless of the stateside duty stations and service to which they belong, who are in harm's way.

Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.

Give thanks, and give thanks to God for the very men and women you are critical of.
Comment Profile ImageQueen
Comment #21 | Monday, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:54 am
@ #7, I'll bring the bolt cutters....@ Lee, oh how short lived it twas.
Comment Profile ImageMom of lots
Comment #22 | Monday, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:56 pm
Agree with ZZZ.
Comment Profile ImagePrince
Comment #23 | Monday, Sep 2, 2013 at 3:18 pm
I wonder when Queen will ever say anything of relevance one way or another about a story? She seems to be too preoccupied with Lee.
Comment Profile ImageLinda
Comment #24 | Monday, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:58 pm
When we moved to Fallbrook last March we were told about the helicopters and the artillery noises. We moved from Imperial Beach and were use to helicopters and the artillery noise here is just part of the package. You get used to it. Now when I hear the helicopters I go out to look at them. I give a prayer of thanks to those young men and women who sacrifice so much for us. Actually makes me feel safe to have them nearby. I moved here for the rural life. It is a lot quieter than were I used to live. If the noise bothers you, maybe you should move elsewhere. I love it here, noise and all! Semper Fi.
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #25 | Tuesday, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:59 am
@ #1&6 Robert, #8 31 Year Fallbrook Resident, #10 FR86, #13 Fallbrook Mama, # 24 Linda, etc.

Do you consider yourself a good American?
Comment Continued : The comment above was written from the same location.
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Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #26 | Tuesday, Sep 3, 2013 at 8:01 am
@ #20 RSL

Do you believe that God blesses those who kill? How and why?
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Mama
Comment #27 | Tuesday, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:01 am
I totally agree with Sound of Freedom. The bigger problem is indeed the illegal problem in this town. I think at least 90% of all thefts, drunk driving, drugs, gangs, graffiti etc can be contributed to the Riff-Raff as he calls them. We need to clean up Fallbrook and quit complaining about the noise that the military makes.
Comment Profile ImageWest Fallbrook Steve
Comment #28 | Wednesday, Sep 4, 2013 at 8:56 am
I do love Camp Pendleton and the Marines. But I have to go to work in the morning(5am). I dont like to complain but I am offended when at 11pm on a weeknite I have a continuous parade of low flying copters. And no, their not just passing thru... they are going in a circle that takes between 5-10 minutes to complete. I dont even mind them doing this, but cant they at least be good neighbors and relegate themselves to decent hours. I think 10pm is the cut off when it comes to the laws that we all have to ablige, otherwise we get a visit from a squad car and maybe a citation for disturbing the peace. Camp Pendleton just needs to learn a little sensitivity for its neighbors, thats all. Its simply a common courtesy issue.
Comment Profile ImageFR86
Comment #29 | Wednesday, Sep 4, 2013 at 9:35 am
To Lee:

Yes I consider myself a good American and I also believe in a higher power as well. I've been in the Corp and fought along with other good Americans and to this day I thank God for people like them. Because it's because of them I'm able to live in a country like the USA and live the way I want...............The down side is that the freedoms we live and continue to cherish also allow lunatics like you to exist and express themselves................all be it ridiculously.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #30 | Wednesday, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:48 am
High 5 FR86. I agree with you 100%. People like you fight and sometimes die, to protect the rights of everyone, even idiots, to express their opinions.... FREELY!!
Comment Profile ImageFR86
Comment #31 | Wednesday, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:27 pm
To West Fallbrook Steve,

Great Idea, that way we'll only have to engage our adversaries between 8 A.M. -10P.M and not on holidays or weekends because our personnel haven't trained under those circumstances.

Let's limit the weather conditions as well........no sunny days or days with rainbows as it just destroys the charma.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #32 | Thursday, Sep 5, 2013 at 7:13 am
@Robert #1 - great! Semper Fi; at Robert for the rest - do as I have, read lee, laugh and get on with your life; he hates everything, I think he writes here as he has noone he can converse with. Example: " our military is THE greatest environmental polluter" o nthe planet. Lee does not consider China on the planet.
Comment Profile Imagefallbrook resident!
Comment #33 | Thursday, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:42 am
People sacrafice! Sacrafice! Sacrafice!! This men and women could be going to war and you guys are worried about noise?!?! Wtf!! Really!! I wouldnt care if they make noise all day and all night! Has long as they are well prepare to do their job when the time comes! You dont like it move to the cities!!Where the only noise you'll hear are siren and police choppers! Looking for a drug dealer or a criminal in the middle of the night!
Comment Profile ImageFor a Free America
Comment #34 | Thursday, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:31 am
@Seriously (comment #19) OK. You have convinced me that you are familiar with helicopter ops. I believe you when you say that most training areas are off-base to the east, but why can't they stay on-base to train? Or why not keep all the helicopters parked closer to the training areas and then bus the pilots to the training area? Why not try to only flying them back to CP only when they must be returned to CP for repairs or whatever? Like I stated, it is a huge expense to fly these things. I didn't mean to imply that I am against them training or building hours or even out joy riding. I personally don't object to the noise. I just think there might be other ways to accomplish all the objectives at less cost and aggravation to the people that do object. I find it very difficult to believe that there are no workable alternatives. I also believe you that your husband was not intentionally annoying people. I think your statement that he does what his boss tells him to do is key here. So I guess I will modify my original statement from "that they are flying over Fallbrook because it is more convenient" to clarify it by saying "they are flying over Fallbrook because their bosses feel it is more convenient". Thanks for setting me straight.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #35 | Thursday, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:24 am
to "For a Free America" - with the current budget cuts, you can be assured that the USMC, if it had a cheaper way to train, would do so. As to moving the aircraft to where the training is taking place, they do - often times a detachment of R/W will be a 29 Palms other times on one day training is at CAMPEN, the next 29 Palms. For all, plesae remember that the Marine Corps is (still) at war; the assualt support helicopter crews have either evacuated wounded Marines or the attack helicopter have been insturmental in the fight. (Lee, before you jump in, the Corps could fight without Helicopters, but the cost to INNOCENT Afgans would go up; attack A/C are able to hit combatants with less collateral damage than a platoon in the assualt). Don't liek the war? Elect congress and a President who will end it.
Comment Profile ImageSeriously
Comment #36 | Thursday, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:09 pm
@ For a Free America,

Much of the training they do is hours upon hours of flying at a time, and it's not really training if you're spending 4+ hours flying around in a circle in an area that is familiar to you. They have to learn to navigate, fly without instruments, fly in different conditions, fly in emergency situations, fly at night with night vision in unfamiliar environments. Many times they are flying to other bases to do training, and when they are doing a big exercise, as grunt says, they do move the helos there. Students must also do "cross country" flights of long durations/distances in order to be qualified to fly, which can't be accomplished by circling Pendleton. Aircrew also needs training time in which to practice what they do.

All of the training they do is in preparation for combat and/or humanitarian operations, and if they simply practice flying in circles on Camp Pendleton during the daytime, they will not be prepared for real world missions, and people will die, period. They're not flying over Fallbrook to annoy people, they're doing it so that inexperienced pilots/aircrew will not be killed (or kill their passengers, or the troops on the ground they are supporting, or the civilians they are bringing emergency supplies to, or the other aircraft they are escorting, etc, etc). It's a very dangerous job even when you're not getting shot at, and it requires a lot of practice.

All training the military does is to increase the odds of our service members staying alive in unimaginable conditions, period. Their "bosses" train them the way they do so that there is hope that they stay alive when the proverbial crap hits the fan, not because they get off on annoying the surrounding communities. Everything grunt says is true, if there were a better/cheaper way to do it, they'd do it - the Marine Corps is widely known for that, even among the other services - doing more with less.

You have a choice to live here, and again, the base has been here quite awhile now, so it's not something new popping up out of the woodwork. I'd rather the people of Fallbrook be a little irritated by the 60 seconds or less of noise as they pass over than people die because they couldn't train properly.
Comment Profile ImageLeaving
Comment #37 | Thursday, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:47 pm
I am amazed at the comments on this thread, Fallbrookians, if I can call you that, stand up, stick out their chests and proclaim they are Americans. The hypocrisy of these people is laughable while 22 returning vets from all our recent foreign wars are committing suicide every day. There are many groups out there trying to help and yet few in the Fallbrook area even bother to give a nickell or a dime; it is disgusting while seeing them here pound their chest proclaiming themselves true Americans.

I am so disgusted in living here that yes I am packing up and moving out of here and not even looking in the rear view mirror. I bought here and the real estate agents said the camp had to stop their artillery practice at 9 pm. Well that was a joke so will save you all the effort to tell me to leave; I am and good riddance to a ridiculous people of Fallbrook, California.
Comment Profile Image4 years here
Comment #38 | Monday, Sep 30, 2013 at 11:43 am
FVN/Bill,
Who are you, are you new to Fallbrook?
What was was your intended point in writing this, to get people upset?
Is there really nothing NEWS worthy going on today. We have been at WAR since 9/11/2001.
Did you somehow forget this, there is a reason you feel safe in your bed, many men and women are not safe in there beds, so you can be! Please, get a life and don't bless us with your witty storys anymore. We have real life events going on and don't need you to entertain us by kicking up dust and getting the same people upset. We do that just fine on our own. Thank you FVN you bring us the news. Bill can go now.
Comment Profile ImageLegal Citizen and Vet
Comment #39 | Friday, Nov 1, 2013 at 8:40 pm
How funny is this comic sketch by a one, Mr. Campbell, right??

I believe Mr. Campbell needs to be shown a map of other areas of the United States he can freely move to, where there will NOT be the air traffic he so hates and in the past, had caused himself..

Yet Bill, as you flew in the past Mr. Campbell (being the pilot you were), you contributed to that "awnry noise pollution" yourself.. Those poor people that had to hear your plane in areas you "freely" traveled in you journeys..

I wonder if Bill ever worried about "that noise" pollution that he was spewing on others back then or is it more a a self centered need now?

Or Maybe being that the base and its mission, is a "NEW" addition to the So. Cal. Area, and that new edition is what we need to get rid of??

I mean, no one in their right mind would have ever moved to Fallbrook, 25 years ago, if they knew that soon after, the Military would be putting a base there, would they??

It isn't like the base has been here since 1942. Really Bill?. You have been here 25 years, yet complain about the noise from a 71 year old base??? Simple fix for this Bill, just grab a map and find a different location that is better suited for your lifestyle..

GOB Bless you Bill and your search for a more suitable home for you and your loved ones..

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