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Former Marines who killed Marine sergeant and bride sentenced: one sentenced to death, the other to a no-parole life in prison


Friday, August 16th, 2013
Issue 33, Volume 17.


RIVERSIDE - Two former Marines who took part in the killing of a Marine sergeant and his bride during a home-invasion robbery at the couple's French Valley home were sentenced today, one to death and the other to a no- parole life prison term.

The triggerman, Emrys Justin John, 23, and 25-year-old Kevin Darnell Cox were convicted with another man for Oct. 15, 2008, slayings of 24-year-old Janek Pietrzak and his 26-year-old wife, Quiana Faye Jenkins-Pietrzak. John was sentenced to death and Cox to two consecutive life terms.

Last month, Riverside County Superior Court Judge Christian Thierbach imposed capital punishment on 25-year-old Tyrone Lloyd Miller.

Cox continued to profess his innocence during the sentencing hearing today.

"Even after I got arrested ... I didn't think I'd be here today. I still don't think I should be. Remorse and regret are different things," he said.

Cox apologized "for what happened", but said he doesn't feel he "did anything to be here for it."

Glenda Faye Jenkins, Jenkins-Pietrzak's mother, said that "the love I have for her was always in my heart before he was born and still continues to be in my heart. It will always be in my heart for the rest of my life."

Miller, Cox and John were convicted June 5 of first-degree murder and special circumstance allegations that multiple lives were taken in the same crime and that the killings occurred in the course of a robbery and a burglary. Jurors also convicted Miller of sexual assault.

A fellow Camp Pendleton Marine, 25-year-old Kesaun Kedron Sykes, is expected to be tried on the same charges before year's end.

According to Deputy District Attorney Dan DeLimon, the four Marines wanted to get inside the Pietrzaks' two-story house at 31319 Bermuda Ave. in French Valley to steal their belongings, and to indulge in a power trip.

"This was about ... taking pleasure in the sexual humiliation of a woman and tormenting her husband by making him watch," DeLimon said.

Miller testified that he was displeased with Pietrzak because he had told him only a day or two earlier that his chances of being promoted to corporal were nil.

The defendants later told sheriff's investigators that they were mainly interested in the "stuff" they might be able steal from the victims, who had received numerous gifts at their wedding just two months earlier.

The three defendants, armed with shotguns, forced their way into the home and beat Pietrzak into submission, authorities said.

The victims were bound and gagged and thrown face-down on a sofa. After spending 90 minutes ransacking the house and hauling stolen goods to a vehicle parked outside, Miller and Sykes stripped Quiana and violated her sexually, according to the prosecution. John shot the couple execution- style with a 9mm handgun.

The victims had been married 68 days.



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robbery at the couple's French Valley residence are slated to be sentenced today. Kevin Darnell Cox, 25, and Emrys Justin John, 23, were convicted along with a third man of the Oct. 15, 2008, slayings of 24-year-old Janek Pietrzak and his 26-year-old wife, Quiana Faye Jenkins-Pietrzak.

Separate juries in June recommended life in prison without the possibility of parole for Cox and a death sentence for John. Riverside County Superior Court Judge Christian Thierbach is expected to uphold the recommendations today. Last month, Thierbach imposed capital punishment on 25-year-old Tyrone Lloyd Miller, the alleged brains behind the robbery-murders.

"This individual has no soul," said Henryka Varga, the mother of Janek Pietrzak, during the sentencing hearing. "He savagely murdered our beautiful children. He killed me as well." Both Varga and Quiana's mother, Glenda Faye Jenkins, told the court that they relive their children's last moments every day.

"My lights went out when I lost my only child," Jenkins said tearfully. "She was a little angel. I am a human body that's a shell now. I walk and talk with an empty heart.

"I keep thinking, 'What was Quiana's crime?' She and Janek didn't deserve to die like this -- put down like wounded animals. Now they're buried in the ground with no food, no water. The ones who did this should experience the same thing."

The defendants were convicted June 5 of first-degree murder and special circumstance allegations that multiple lives were taken in the same crime and that the killings occurred in the course of a robbery and a burglary. Jurors also convicted Miller of sexual assault.

A fellow Camp Pendleton-based Marine, 25-year-old Kesaun Kedron Sykes, is expected to be tried on the same charges before year's end. According to Deputy District Attorney Dan DeLimon, the four Marines wanted to get inside the Pietrzaks' two-story house at 31319 Bermuda Ave. to steal their belongings -- but also to indulge in a power trip.

"This was about ... taking pleasure in the sexual humiliation of a woman and tormenting her husband by making him watch," DeLimon said. Miller testified that he was displeased with Pietrzak because he had told him only a day or two earlier that his chances of being promoted to corporal were nil.

The defendants later told sheriff's investigators that they were mainly interested in the "stuff" they might be able steal from the victims, who had received numerous gifts at their wedding just two months earlier.

The three defendants, armed with shotguns, forced their way into the home and beat Pietrzak into submission. The victims were bound and gagged and thrown face-down on a sofa. After spending 90 minutes ransacking the house and hauling stolen goods to a vehicle parked outside, Miller and Sykes stripped Quiana violated her sexually, according to the prosecution. John shot the couple execution- style with a 9mm handgun.

The two had been married 68 days.


 

50 comments

Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #1 | Friday, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Bear. Woods. Bear poopy in woodsy.
Bear. No woods. Bear no poopy in woodsy.

Guns. Human beings. Dead human beings from guns.
No guns. Human beings. No dead human beings from guns.

It is time to once and for all repeal the invalid, illogical and idiotic Second Amendment!
Comment Profile ImageSeriously??
Comment #2 | Friday, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:12 pm
@Lee: Should all men also have their penis's cut off because they might use it to rape someone someday? How about we ban all knives as well, heck we can just eat steak with our fingers. Better yet, we can all become vegans; it would certainly be healthier..... of course then we would have to think about cutting off peoples hands just in case they might decide to strangle someone.... oh and then.....
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #3 | Friday, Aug 16, 2013 at 5:27 pm
@Lee - bear no woods- bear poopy in your yard. I am sure that if the three knew that having a firearm were illegal they would not have committed the crime- "Oh lets go kill some one - oh, no wait, we can not legally have a gun, shucks".
Comment Profile Imagephilosopher
Comment #4 | Friday, Aug 16, 2013 at 6:03 pm
@Lee you should have followed up philosophy 101 with philosophy 102.
Comment Profile ImageOMG
Comment #5 | Saturday, Aug 17, 2013 at 9:07 am
Lee: "If someone has a gun and trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun". -Dalai Lama, 2001.
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook res.
Comment #6 | Saturday, Aug 17, 2013 at 10:27 am
I really feel Lee is a female, men don't say poopy. We are a Marine family, these men should never see daylight again. Very sad story.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #7 | Saturday, Aug 17, 2013 at 2:01 pm
I think Lee is a guy. He is just the kind of guy who would say things like "poopy".
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #8 | Saturday, Aug 17, 2013 at 2:11 pm
@OMG

Actually, this is the first time I have seen this quote and certainly thank you for it.

I have long been suspicious of the Dalai Lama (for various reasons), but this certainly further cements my disagreement with him. If he believes this, he is nuts!
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #9 | Saturday, Aug 17, 2013 at 3:37 pm
Okay Lee, so if I understand you, you think it would be nuts to shoot back at someone who is shooting at you. So, if someone ever wants to shoot you, you will just let him?? Will you just stand there and say "oh poopy", or will you run screaming "oh poopy"....... splat.
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #10 | Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 10:42 am
I will try to do everything and anything I, as one human being, can in order to achieve a LOVING society -- and hope that the rest of society does also -- so that the person with the gun doesn't pull out the gun in the first place.

Go ahead and laugh.
Comment Profile ImageSeriously??
Comment #11 | Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 11:55 am
Right Lee. Tell that to Bonsall gay Guy. I'm not buying it myself.

BTW, I do have a gun, and I know how to use it. I am a female and I will defend myself if I ever have to. I pray I never have to.
Comment Profile ImageBarb
Comment #12 | Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 12:47 pm
A gay hating bigot and phobe talks about loving society. FUN-NY!!!! You know the Dalai Lama doesn't like gays either. Maybe you 2 should get a room together.
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #13 | Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 9:09 pm
@ Seriously

Well, what I would say to you is the reason why you are packin' it is because you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the greedy gun lobby and military propaganda into fear and paranoia, and that, therefore, a boogie man who is out to get cha lurks around every corner. In other words, you have been brainwashed into believing that mankind is fundamentally bad . . . while the truth is that mankind is fundamentally good. I certainly believe that we are fundamentally good and trust my fellow man.
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Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #14 | Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 9:20 pm
PS. Seriously, I am truly sad for you that you believe that owning a gun makes you feel safe, and that because of your indoctrination into paranoia, human interaction for you has to be and, in fact, has been taken to the extreme of immediately dealing with another human being in terms of life or death. Sad.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #15 | Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 9:52 pm
@Lee: Do you ever watch the news? Ever read a newspaper? Ever crack a book? Are you serious?

I do not walk around afraid of my shadow either, but I am vigilant. I enjoy my life, my kids and my grand kids. I love my church and do volunteer work in the community. Would I walk through the worst section of any major city after dark singing kum baya (sp) NO!! I know how to shoot a gun because I grew up on a ranch in the country. I have never shot a living thing. I don't ever want to shoot anybody, but I would to save my life or the life of my loved ones. I'm not brainwashed, I have what is called common sense. Ever hear of it? I think Seriously is right. Women are many times the victims of crime in this society, clearly we can't count on men like you to protect us so we have to be able to protect ourselves. I'm also fortunate to be married to a man who cares about the safety of his family. You, I am sorry to say, are ridiculous.
Comment Profile ImageOMG
Comment #16 | Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:51 am
Lee: OK, you disagreed with Dalia Lama statement.

What if the gun was pointed at your mother or sister, to rape, mangle or whatever the 'criminal' wanted. What would you do?

Curious for this answer, I hope you don't ignore it.

PS: Criminals will always have guns by the way.
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #17 | Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:15 pm
I have a question for all gun owners.

If, for argument's sake, the Second Amendment were repealed today, and all gun owners had to turn in their guns within, say, a month or so, or there were some sort of mandatory buy-back program, would you, gun owners, abide by this law?

You are, after all, . . . law-abiding citizens, are you not?
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Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #18 | Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:43 pm
@ #17 OMG

Again, if the gun were pointed at my loved ones or a person were to threaten my loved ones with rape, I would, again, tell you what I have said above: you, I and EVERYBODY as a member of our society and the world, should do everything we can to champion a society/world of LOVE and PEACE so that a situation of rape does not occur in the first place.

That, most certainly, does and will NOT occur when we indoctrinate our children into a gun "culture". What WILL happen when we indoctrinate our children into a gun "culture" is to have MORE violence in the world (see story above as a great example!) . . . unless, of course, you believe that the way to lose weight is by eating MORE food, or the way to cure an addict is by giving him/her MORE drugs. (Or that homosexual teachers do NOT indoctrinate our children into homosexuality.) Yeap, makes sense to me. If you would like to see a glimpse what this sort of neo-Hitler/Nazi Jugend-indoctrinated society looks like, I offer you this small sampling:

thefw.com/texas-gun-range-is-hosting-birthday-parties-for-kids

Criminals will NOT always have guns. That is a lie that has been perpetrated by the greedy NRA gun lobby. This is an absolute lie! There are many countries/societies that do not have guns and are doing just fine. After time, guns WOULD be eliminated from society with a mandatory buy back program or something of that sort. Sure, it would take some time, but in the end, this would succeed and be well worth it. If you disagree, please get on an airplane, fly to Connecticut and ask the parents who lost their children in that school shooting last December how THEY feel, ache and suffer, and how they feel about guns. Or just find the loved ones of the dead in the story above.

I believe that our children and ALL human beings are worth saving and protecting. Call me crazy.
Comment Profile ImageI luv a good joke
Comment #19 | Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:57 pm
I wonder which asylum all of Lee's posts originate from?
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #20 | Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 3:11 pm
@ # 2 Seriously

OBVIOUSLY, all men should not have their penises cut off because they might use it to rape somebody. Your logic is invalid which I have noticed on more than one occasion. Your logic is the same as that of the riveting proud college C-student, George W. Bush, who believed that a PRE-EMPTIVE war -- whatever the heck that means -- should be waged to prevent future "evil-doers" to, well, do evil. Riiiiiight. So why stop there then? Heck, why not just kill ALL human beings according to that invalid logic . . . or, as you say, cut off all men's penises because they may use them for rape. Besides, a gun is a tool which, when taken away from somebody, does NOT cause you bodily harm; the removal of one's penis does . . . I would HIGHLY suspect. (Fellow readers who, like I are currently laughing, I apologize for the mentality of my fellow debaters, but yes, this is the level of thinkers who are prevalent on this discussion board.)

Knives, although also a tool that can be used to kill, is FAR easier to defend against. That is precisely the reason why the preferred weapon of choice of criminals is a gun: it is an extremely efficient killing tool and, thus, THE reason for its removal from society. I suppose a paper clip can also be used as a killing tool -- and I'm sure it has -- but I would like to hope that you would agree with me that you would be FAR more able to defend yourself against a person threatening you with it as opposed to a person with a gun. So if you want, by all means let us outlaw paper clips . . . but I don't think you will get very far with that argument. True, it would be better if we all were vegans and red-meat carnivores . . . which breeds more violence, by the way. Finally, in regards to hands, please see my comments RE a penis.

Seriously, I sincerely hope that I have answered all your questions beyond a, shall we say, nauseating degree, but must regretfully inform you that I believe your logic is comical which allows me not to take you . . . seriously.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #21 | Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 3:38 pm
A very long time ago, way back before guns were ever invented there were wars and violence. In cave man days they beat each other to death with clubs. In Biblical times, they used swords and spears. Later they used catapults and bows and arrows, usually dipped in fire, I could go on. Taking away guns will not take away mankind's tendency to violence, it has always been a factor and it always will be. Cain murdered his brother Abel because he was jealous! No gun involved. In this world there is good and evil. Take away guns and the criminals will still have guns. That is a fact. Lee, as usual, hasn't got a clue what on earth he is even talking about. That is nothing new of course, but is it me, or does he seem to be getting worse? Logic has certainly never been his strong suit, but it seems to me that he has gone more than slightly off his rocker. That is just my opinion of course. None of his above statements are even worth refuting, because they are simply to silly to even discuss. Evidently Lee has never read anything about crime statistics. There are murders, rapes, molestation, you name it, happening every day of the week, every week of the year. By the way OMG, I believe that Lee did answer your question. Sort of. No, he would not protect his mother, sister, or anyone else from being raped, because the poor brain washed rapist only needs to have more love and peace in his life. I think I really have to agree with Comment #20. Right on!
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Comment #22 | Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 3:41 pm
One more thing.... in answer to your question Lee. No. I would not EVER turn in my gun. I'm not a sheep, and I'm certainly not a fool.

By the way, that is precisely why criminals will always have guns.... because they will NEVER turn their guns in either. That is why, if the crazy lefties repeal the second amendment, I will keep my gun.... get it?
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #23 | Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:24 pm
@Lee - "many countries do not have guns and do just fine" Please name one free country that does; yo uknow "free" able to critize the government. Next, if there are no guns no rape? Wha tabout knives, or just shear size and strenght difference? And you still did not answer the question, what if, in the real world, some one where to threaten your family? Would it be ok if I, with my legal weapon, stopped them?
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #24 | Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Correction to my comment #21

. . . if we all were vegans and not red-meat carnivores . . .
Comment Profile ImageSeriously??
Comment #25 | Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:46 pm
@Lee: To answer your question (Comment #21) yes, you have answered my question to a nauseating degree. You comments are generally always nauseating. By the way, who the heck do you think you are speaking to when you say "fellow readers who like I, are currently laughing" in case you haven't noticed, and undoubtedly you haven't, the only person being laughed at on this thread, and concurrently, all other threads is you. Have you not read the comments? My personal favorite is comment #20. Do you really believe that there is an entire legion of like thinkers out there reading this and just not saying anything? Get a grip.

I agree with Pink. No way am I turning in my gun to some left wing government who would repeal the second amendment. I'm afraid they would have to send their jack booted storm troopers out to take it. Do you believe that retired policemen and military, especially Marines, will give up their guns to a bunch of liberal twits? How about ranchers in places like Montana and Wyoming? Texas? People in the Blue Ridge Mountains, the hills of Tennessee and Kentucky? The criminals in this country certainly won't be lining up to turn their guns in either.

Just who do you think will be in charge of this utilitarian utopia of your imagination Lee? Do you not understand that the dictator of a government like this will still have to have an army and a police force in order to stay in power. They will still have guns, you can count on it. Otherwise they would be overthrown in a matter of weeks by an irate citizenry, or an invading army from some other country who does have guns!! Let me put it this way Lee: We the people aren't going to vote to repeal any part of our Constitution, so people like you and Carla will just have to deal with it.

We have gun control laws on the books. California and Connecticut have the strongest in the nation!! Let's enforce them!!!
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #26 | Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:30 pm
@ Seriously #26

"To answer your question (Comment #21) yes, you have answered my question to a nauseating degree. You comments are generally always nauseating." If my comments are always nauseating, why on earth would you spend your time replying to them? Do you have some sort of inferior complex and/or need for self punishment? I certainly don't reply to the vast comments on here because they are bogus.

"Do you really believe that there is an entire legion of like thinkers out there reading this and just not saying anything? Get a grip." I do believe there are MANY like-minded folks out there. Unfortunately, they may have been cowered into silence and submission. Obviously, I don't share that subordination.

"No way am I turning in my gun to some left wing government who would repeal the second amendment. I'm afraid they would have to send their jack booted storm troopers out to take it." Wow, what a charming lady you are! Nothin' like high heels 'n' guns, ey? Psst, if it gets urgent, Camp Pendleton is very nearby just in case ya wanna sign up. They would LOVE to have passionate modern-day Yosemite Sams like you., I'm sure. In fact, the latest gossip is that even women are about to be able to do some killin' in our military. You're just in time.

"Do you believe that retired policemen and military, especially Marines, will give up their guns to a bunch of liberal twits?" Hmm, probably not, but if you LOVE your country, aren't you a law-abiding citizen who respects the law? I'm a bit confused about that one.

"How about ranchers in places like Montana and Wyoming? Texas? People in the Blue Ridge Mountains, the hills of Tennessee and Kentucky?" The only folks I would propose to have guns once the Second Amendment is repealed are ONLY the authorities: military, police, Immigration, Homeland Security, forest rangers, etc. That would work just fine. Should these gun-totin' Yosemite Sams suffer from psychological trauma of having to part ways with their buffed guns, they have three fair and balanced solutions to help them cope with their trauma: one, go see a shrink; two, go see Dr. Phil. three, go do the pole dance on the Jerry Springer Show. The third option would make for scintillating reality TV, wouldn't you agree?

"The criminals in this country certainly won't be lining up to turn their guns in either." That's true. The police or the military would take care of that. Sure, it would be a bumpy transition, but nonetheless we would have a far better society than the current blood-thirsty, gun-lovin' one we have now. You know, the one where about 11,000 Americans die each year from guns. Including little, innocent kids. Wonder if you care. Or have a heart.

"Just who do you think will be in charge of this utilitarian utopia of your imagination Lee?" The people. There's a thought, ey? Psst, we as a nation were kinda founded on the same principle, by the way.

"Do you not understand that the dictator--" Nope, there ain't gonna be a dictator. There will be a common "rule" by the people who will decide collectively on things. Works like a charm. In this Age of Communication that is absolutely NO problem. That is, by the way, how the Arab Spring came about: social media, i.e., communication. And the people prevailed. Yes, yes, Egypt is going through a VERY bumpy transition, no doubt, but the INITIAL transition of the Arab Spring was actually done in a democratic way. It was the former governments who used violence on their own people!

". . . will still have to have an army and a police force in order to stay in power." Nope, sorry, hate to break your indoctrination that only hate works, but -- hold on to your garter, girl -- there ain't gonna be no army nor police force. Well, maybe just a minor police force. There will be just the people.

"They will still have guns, you can count on it." Nope, no guns. Sorry, will you be able to sleep at all with such drastic news?

"Otherwise they would be overthrown in a matter of weeks by an irate citizenry--" Nope, the citizens ain't gonna be irate. Your optimism is bursting at the seams, I must say. Any changes will be made collectively and peacefully, a concept that I'm sure is difficult for you to fathom.

" . . . or an invading army from some other country who does have guns!!" Ah, there you go again with the boogie man mentally who are out to get cha. I was missing that a bit, I must say. Nope, there ain't no countries who are or will be out to get us. Things will be peaceful. Oh, wait a minute! There may be one: the one that has THE greatest military might on earth. You know, the one that invades nations illegally to build an empire. The one that sabotages elections and installs puppet regimes, and all that, you know, "good stuff". Yeap, you guessed it, that would be . . . Liechtenstein. Or the U.S. Naah, I think it's Liechtenstein, for sure. Those dictators!

"We the people aren't going to vote to repeal any part of our Constitution, so people like you and Carla will just have to deal with it." Well, actually the paradigm shift moving in that direction is well under way already even in our country, actually. It's only a matter of time when THE PEOPLE realize the truth. That IS the whole beauty about the truth: sooner or later she ALWAYS prevails.

So Seriously, how are you doing with all this exciting news? Hope you are OK. What is most unfortunate, I must say, is that because you consider my comments nauseating, you won't reply. That really is too bad.

PS. Wait a minute! I just realized something! You said that "the criminals in this country certainly won't be lining up to turn their guns in either." OK. And prior to that, you said that "no way am I turning in my gun to some left wing government who would repeal the second amendment. I'm afraid they would have to send their jack booted storm troopers out to take it." So what you are saying is that you, a law-abiding citizen, would not turn in your gun just like a criminal making you . . . a prospective criminal, also. Thank you for confirming that.
Comment Profile ImagePreston
Comment #27 | Tuesday, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:27 am
They will both probably die of old age and we will support them all the way.
@Lee, Had they been shot and killed with a gun, on site, the victims and tax payers would all be better off.
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #28 | Tuesday, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:29 am
PPS. Seriously, I just realized something very, very important this morning. You do realize that IF, HEAVEN FORBID, some piece of you-know-what were to inflict something horrible like robbery, rape or even death onto you and The Village News were to report it, I would be the first one here to denounce the criminal and defend . . . you despite your fanatical gun-worship. You are aware of that, are you not?
Comment Profile ImageSeriously??
Comment #29 | Tuesday, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:33 am
@Lee: Other than laughing my A--- off at the absolute, total and complete inaccuracy of your last two comments, I can't think of anything to say, other than you should write fiction..... science fiction. Can you possibly believe any of this drivel? I have no doubt that everyone reading your posts, which by the way, make absolutely no sense at all, are either shaking their heads in wonder or rolling on the floor, unable to get their breath, in sheer hilarity. Is it possible, really possible, that you actually believe this stuff..... the person who said you should leave your brain to science was right on.... please sign the paperwork, it could help some future generation.

As far as your last comment goes "I would be the first to denounce the criminal" well, gosh, well isn't that big of you? Don't worry, I know you certainly wouldn't defend me while the act was happening, you don't have the courage. I would have to either shoot him myself, or rely on the "MAN" I married to do it for me.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #30 | Tuesday, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:59 am
Lee, still waiting for that list of countries, and oh my - you would denouce the crime, I fell so safe now.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #31 | Tuesday, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:11 pm
@Lee - wow your comment #26 - "no one out to get us"; ready to conver to Islam? How is your Spanish/Korean/Chinese? Your upotian world will not exist as long as people are here - too many, maybe 10%, will always want more - remember Animal Farm, "some animals are more equal"? Also, your number of gun deaths includes cop shooting (bad guys), citizens defending themselves (from bad guys) gang bangers shooting (bad guys) and suicides (sad guys).
Comment Profile ImageOMG
Comment #32 | Tuesday, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:32 pm
When Lee reveals the island he 'wants' to live on, that can accommodate his fantasies, (Sorry, THE Fantasy Island is already taken), I'm sure there are many that will either pay the plane ticket or provide the boat and paddles.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #33 | Tuesday, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:36 pm
@Lee: Oh wow, you would actually denounce the criminal.... what a guy.... you just make our girlish hearts go all aflutter.... please, please tell me that you are single, and that no woman has pinned her hopes on you....please. Oh, and while you are running, in the opposite direction denouncing the criminal, my husband, son, brother, and 2 sons-in-law, will be taking turns beating the stuffing out of the guy, you will be happy to note I said beating, no guns involved.

As far as your "ideas" on how the country would work in this screwy utopian fiction you have conjured up.... "oh yeah, great ideas, fabulous" ..... said nobody, ever.

And then there is your statement "I believe there are MANY like minded folks out there" yeah Lee, but unfortunately for you they are either living in insane asylums or Berkeley (which is pretty much the same thing) after all they don't call it Berserkley for nothing. You then state "they may have been cowered into silence or submission" well gosh, if they are a bunch of cowards they won't do you much good then will they? In finishing let me just say, once again, you are at least good for a laugh.
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #34 | Tuesday, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:09 pm
@ Seriously

#26
I meant to ask you about the following. "We have gun control laws on the books. California and Connecticut have the strongest in the nation!! Let's enforce them!!!" OK, yet you also stated that, "the criminals in this country certainly won't be lining up to turn their guns in either", meaning that criminals will always have guns or find a way to have guns. OK, according to your own logic then, if criminals will always have guns, what good will enforcing gun laws do? That makes no sense. Don't you think that the ONLY solution then is to get rid of ALL guns from our society/world completely? That's what I believe. Do you NOT realize that THE reason why a criminal, as the two in the article above, is empowered to do his/her crime is BECAUSE of a gun? Do you not realize that? If the criminal did NOT have a gun, he/she would NOT be empowered to commit the crime. GUNS empower criminals!

"I agree with Pink. No way am I turning in my gun to some left wing government who would repeal the second amendment. I'm afraid they would have to send their jack booted storm troopers out to take it." I meant to ask you about that. Seriously, do you TRULY believe that you have a prayer in heck against our trained police force or military? Do you TRULY believe that? Do you TRULY believe that one individual with one or a few guns has any chance against our police or military? Can you PLEASE tell me who on earth indoctrinated you into this fanatical, crazy and illogical belief? Does the name Christopher Dorner ring a bell to you? Aah, the last time I checked . . . he lost . . . and died. Well, if you don't want to learn from history, that's up to you, but I'm just trying to help you. Surely, you will reply that you are not the only one who would resist. OK, no problem. Again, do you truly believe that a few hundred or even thousand of your compadres and you have a prayer in heck against our trained police force and military? Do you? What you apparently don't understand is that after all is said and done, our military will ALWAYS have one more bullet than you. Oh well. Could you be so kind and let me know if and when this "Battle Goin' Out in a Blaze of Glory" takes place, please? I'm gettin' kinda bored with the usual fictitious Hollywood gore propaganda stuff and would, well, like to see the real gore for a change. I'll be sure to show up in my 1960s VW van, of course, pull out my beach chair, munch on veggies, and enjoy my homemade smoothie. (I'll be wearin' Birkenstocks, of course, and do some yoga prior to the "battle.") Hmm, I haven't quite made up my mind whether I'll make an all-berry or a mango & banana smoothie. Hmm, I think it'll be the all-berry smoothie: the color, dark red, is an appropriate metaphor for the occasion. Lookin' forward to it. (Oh btw, if any members of Law Enforcement or the military are reading your fanatical crud at this very moment, I can assure you they have a big grin on their face. And that is putting it mildly.)

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". . . your posts, which by the way, make absolutely no sense at all . . ." Why does my position about gun control and a better society NOT make sense? Can you please explain with a rational conversation?

"Is it possible, really possible, that you actually believe this stuff?" I do, with every fiber of my being.

"Don't worry, I know you certainly wouldn't defend me while the act was happening--" How do you know? How do you know what I would do? You have no idea what I would do, but because you already know better, OK, good for you.

". . . you don't have the courage." How do you know I don't have courage?

"I would have to either shoot him myself, or rely on the "MAN" I married to do it for me." OK, let me see if I understand your "logic". You already ARE married, and yet you ask somebody else what he/she would do in that sort of situation? Why on earth would you do that?! Who cares what I would do then; what does matter is what your husband what do. Your question is a bit . . . kooky. Oh btw, IF your husband is such a great man, the way to spell that correctly is with capital letters and NO quotation marks. The way you spelled it, with quotation marks, suggests that your husband is a REALLY, REALLY great . . . quasi-man. Well, maybe he is . . . being married to a "woman" like you.

PS. Oh yes, I almost forgot. You do realize one important thing in our conversation here, do you not? You, like me, ARE an optimist and DO have faith in your fellow man. Do you realize that? If you didn't, you wouldn't believe in the concept of communication at all.
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Comment #35 | Wednesday, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:41 am
@ Grunt #32

"Your upotian world will not exist as long as people are here"

Wow!!!!! What a statement! Wow! Grunt, I TRULY want to thank you for this statement, and can assure you that it will be stuck in my mind for the rest of my life! Thank you indeed. Do you have ANY idea at the contradiction/fallacy you have stated? Do you? Obviously, you don't. You have said that a utopia --actually, I don't know what your definition is -- can ONLY be achieved if there are no human beings on earth, or if we eradicate all human beings. So, I take it that includes . . . you? You, who are a human being I take it, stand in the way of the utopia that you mention. Therefore, your utopia CANNOT be achieved because of the existence of people, i.e., you, and because you are a force for evil, bad stuff, etc. Well Grunt, maybe you are absolutely correct? A person with a gun IS an evil person who promotes . . . evil.

I couldn't agree more.

Unlike you, I believe in a far better solution: let's get rid of the guns, NOT the people. Call me crazy.
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Comment #36 | Wednesday, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:01 am
Wow... looks like Seriously really hit a nerve with old Lee this time. Sounds like is frothing at the mouth doesn't it. Lee, your ideas about this utopian society, yes UTOPIAN is the correct word, is ludicrous at best. I think Grunt hit the nail on the head with the comment about Animal Farm, however I doubt if Lee has ever heard of it, much less read it, not unless it has come out in comic book form. Another good book to try, just in case your interested Lee, is Lord of the Flies. If reading it requires too much effort on your part, you can rent the DVD. I believe everyone would love to live in a perfect world Lee, but guess what? It doesn't exist. Good and evil Lee, good and evil, they co-exist. There will always be people who will have bad plans for others, no matter how good your intentions might be. That is just a fact of life. As far as putting Seriously down for calling her husband a MAN. I believe she said it in capitals to emphasize the fact that he is one. Same with Pink. They are saying that to you, lest you misunderstand, because you said in comment # that you would not defend your mom or your sister from a rapist, you would rely on his good intentions.... whatever the heck that means, statements like that don't make women feel all warm and fuzzy you know? Men aren't too enamored of it either. I assure you I would protect my mother, my sister, my wife and my daughters, if I were present and able to do so!!! One last thing before I close, it sounds to me like you do want jack booted military and police in this "brave new world" how exactly does that tie in with love and peace? Sounds like a dictatorship to me. As for guns? Seriously and Pink are right. No one is taking my gun, and I would further ask you how this police state of yours would even know that I have a gun? Hmmmmm? They can't come out and forcefully take what they don't know I have, now can they? Forced registration you say.... well guess what, I won't abide by it... how do you like those apples? Your theory on this whole new civilization has so many flaws that it is impossible to even have a sensible argument about it. It would take days if not weeks, but then you still wouldn't get. Call you crazy? Okay.
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Comment #37 | Wednesday, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:45 am
I don't think you necessarily have to put Animal Farm into comic book form. Lee also seems to like cartoons given his never ending fascination with Yosemite Sam. Maybe an animated version of Animal Farm geared towards 5 year olds might be something that Lee could learn and benefit from?
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Comment #38 | Wednesday, Aug 21, 2013 at 3:44 pm
@Lee - STILL waiting for your "countries with out guns" list; ok, I will call you crazy.
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Comment #39 | Wednesday, Aug 21, 2013 at 4:27 pm
@ #37 LMAO

"Wow... looks like Seriously really hit a nerve with old Lee this time. Sounds like is frothing at the mouth doesn't it." Yes, yes, doesn't it suck what can happen when one sees through the fallacies of an invalid argument, ey? And doesn't it suck when the MAJORITY, who has right on its side, stands against the dictatorial minority who does nothing but feed the rest of society bull and cowers them into submission? And doesn't it suck that the VAST majority who do NOT want guns are TICKED OFF at the continuous stories as the one above where people get needlessly -- is there really any other way? -- shot and butchered to death over and over and over again? And doesn't it suck that folks like you expect folks like me to cower down . . . and yet we don't?! And doesn't it suck that we have a backbone to stand up for OUR rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness which does NOT supersede your bogus right to own a gun . . . and shoot and kill somebody? And doesn't it suck that WE, THE PEOPLE have had enough? And doesn't it suck that WE, THE PEOPLE are uniting in opposition to gun violence? And doesn't it suck that we are seeing through the LIE that MORE guns make us a safer society and world? And doesn't it suck that we realize that WE, the victims, have rights, too, NOT JUST THE GUN OWNERS AND SHOOTERS?! And doesn't it suck that we will no longer take your lies? And doesn't it suck that I have realized to . . .

Get up! Stand up! Stand up for your rights! (Thank you, Bob Marley.)

And do you know WHAT EXACTLY happens when a person or, heck even more powerfully, a group of people Get up! Stand up! when they have RIGHT on their side? Do you know what happens THEN, my dear LaughingMyRearEndOff? Do you?

We shall overcome!

That's what happens! Yes, yes, doesn't THAT suck, my dear LMAO? Isn't it amazing what can happen WHEN people stand up and flex their rights, ey? Isn't it amazing? We shall overcome one day! Do you know why? Because my argument is based on a right -- guns kill, and killing is WRONG -- and your argument is wrong -- guns are good. Doesn't it suck?

"Lee, your ideas about this utopian society, yes UTOPIAN is the correct word, is ludicrous at best." Why? Can you please explain with a valid argument?

". . . Animal Farm, however I doubt if Lee has ever heard of it, much less read it . . . " Riiiiight. I have never heard of it nor the author . . . yet I cite good ol' George Orwell previously: #44 www.thevillagenews.com/story/72693/ You were sayin'?

"If reading it requires too much effort on your part . . ." Riiiiight. I post comments here requiring to READ other people's comments . . . yet I don't know how to read. Is that all ya got? Riiiiiiiiiight. You know, what you and your compadres, YET again, do not understand is that when you make INVALID comments, you make yourself and your comments seem comical. If you don't mind doing so, hey, knock yourself out. The whole world is watching, btw.

"There will always be people who will have bad plans for others, no matter how good your intentions might be. That is just a fact of life." No it's not. Like Seriously, your optimism is bursting at the seams. Keep on drinkin' the Koolaid.

"As far as putting Seriously down for calling her husband a MAN." Ah yes, isn't it so, shall we say, metro-sexual of you to have a big mouth when you're clinchin' onto your gun and goin' on the offensive with your usual gun-worshippin' bull, yet immediately turn around and cry wolf when somebody decides to stand up and argue back? Yeap, just like a true gun-owner: a wimp. You only have courage when . . . you're packin' it -- your lies, that is.

"I believe she said it in capitals to emphasize the fact that he is one." No ship, Sherlock. Read my comment: it's her use of quotation marks that makes her claim invalid.

". . . that you would not defend your mom or your sister from a rapist, you would rely on his good intentions.... whatever the heck that means . . ." I was asked a question; that is my answer. If you STILL do not understand the concept that guns help to create violence and that ONLY through the elimination of them in our society can we eliminate such violent acts, then keep on thinkin'. Two, when did I specifically say that I would NOT defend my wife/loved ones/others? When and where? Please show me.

"I assure you I would protect my mother, my sister, my wife and my daughters, if I were present and able to do so!!!" So would I.

"One last thing before I close, it sounds to me like you do want jack booted military and police in this "brave new world" how exactly does that tie in with love and peace? Sounds like a dictatorship to me." Did you just regurgitate NRA's propaganda from this months news letter?

"No one is taking my gun, and I would further ask you how this police state of yours would even know that I have a gun? Hmmmmm?" Yikes! In this Age of Information . . . you expect that the police do NOT know that you own a gun? You truly believe that?! They probably know what you and I had for breakfast this morning.

"They can't come out and forcefully take what they don't know I have, now can they?" And there, again, I thought you are a law-abiding citizen. Hmm.

"Forced registration you say.... well guess what, I won't abide by it... how do you like those apples?" OK, so now there are three of you how will be potential criminals: Pink, Seriously and you. Interesting. So what you are REALLY saying is this:

As long as somebody agrees with you, it's democracy and the law; if they don't, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell you just might pull out one of your twelve guns out and convince them to see things YOUR way, ey?

Lovely. I wonder what Law Enforcement has to say about statements like yours, Pink's and Seriously's.

"Your theory on this whole new civilization has so many flaws that it is impossible to even have a sensible argument about it." Try me.

"It would take days if not weeks, but then you still wouldn't get." Try me.

"Call you crazy? Okay." I know, I know, I just don't like that killin' stuff from guns. Yeap, crazy indeed.

PS. Oh btw, should you wish to see a glimpse what this new paradigm looks like, I offer you this small sampling . . . right on the current homepage of The Village News: www.thevillagenews.com/story/72757/ People helping people. Now ain't that somethin'? And it's NOT in Berkeley; it's right here in good ol' Fallbrook. Oops, Rainbow, I mean. And I noticed you hadn't even posted a comment; heck, you probably hadn't even seen it. Oh, you were probably busy writin' your comment . . . and buffin' your guns.
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Comment #40 | Wednesday, Aug 21, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Grunt, still waitin' for you to join the human race and learn how to spell and write like an adult.
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Comment #41 | Wednesday, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:23 pm
Am I the only one who thinks that Lee has lost it? Dude, calm down and take your meds.

I'm reading all the comments here, and I have to say that somebody is off his trolley.... as far as I can tell, and I have read real closely... neither Seriously??, Grunt, Pink, or any of the others exercising their Constitutional rights to freedom of speech (yes Lee so far we still have that) have said anything about being gun nuts, right wing crazies or people in favor of unrestricted gun laws. I believe that it was Pink who said she knew how to shoot because she grew up on a ranch, in the country, but that she had never killed a living thing, and Seriously said she knows how to use a gun, but hopes she never has too, Grunt says he carries one legally (cop??) not exactly a group of crazed killers are they? Just people, who like myself, want to see tougher gun control laws but do NOT want the government, any government, confiscating our private property! In the words spoken in one of my favorite movies "this is America Jack!" You and your wimpy little pals are not taking our guns with your "Orwells 1984 brand of government storm troopers". Before you attack me as a gun toting Yosimite Sam, let me tell you that I am not. I have a gun my grandfather brought home from WWII, where he fought for our rights, and neither you or anybody else is coming into my home and taking it.... got that? Just FYI, I do not have a subscription to the NRA and I voted for Obama. I am an American and I'm not, repeat not, voting to repeal the second, first, or any other amendment to our Constitution. Got that? Good.

As far as the majority of Americans supporting your theories? Dude, I read your "manifesto" 6 times and I still don't know what the heck you are even talking about! What the heck is with the smoothie stuff? Get a grip, cause it sounds like you are losing it, you DO NOT make any sense. Also, I don't seem to see any comments in your favor... even Carla appears to have left you to defend yourself.

One last thing, I think I can tell you what law enforcement is saying, they are cheering for Pink, Seriously and Grunt.
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Comment #42 | Wednesday, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:07 pm
OK Lee, I have to comment!!

I also take the time to read Lees' books...they are getting longer, what happened to the 'little' thread, "Can we vote on this?" I get what he's trying to say, over and over and over and over...but it's really difficult, and I know him!! His desire is just not realistic...because all humans will never think, ALL alike.

Pink did say, and is correct, since the beginning, Cain and Abel...the first (human) examples of good and bad. Cain killed his brother, a jealous evil. There is God and there is the devil...always will be, until the end. It just is. Just because one owns a gun, doesn't mean they're evil, doesn't mean they bought it to shoot a human. (Collectors) If it weren't for guns (rifles), our family would have starved to death, hunting is as common as the 'grocery store'. It's the meat for the long winter.

Another fact: When a horse goes lame, he is shot. It is the most humane way to take them out of their pain-quick, fast. So guess what? Vets have guns, but they are not evil and they aren't going to kill a human just because they have a gun.

It would be wonderful if all nations, people were at peace, but it will never happen...I told you, the Bible doesn't lie.

This country isn't even at peace, it's the land of freedom - freedom of speech and to own a gun...and free lunch, free education, free medical, free....bies...
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Comment #43 | Wednesday, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:25 pm
@ lee, well, your arguments are false - the majority do not favor getting rid of guns; you ignore any fact or statement you do not like; make false statements then fail to back them up when challenged. Finally, you resort to the liberal main stay - call names or poke fun. try to answer with thought, not rhetoric.
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Comment #44 | Thursday, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:46 am
Thank you ZZZ. Well said. I agree with you. Not everyone will, but I do. There is good and evil in the world. We see the examples of that every day. I haven't fired a gun since I was 15. That was at a target on a tree. Got a bulls eye. Have no desire to fire a gun ever again. I abhor violence, but I'm not repealing the second amendment.

Right on Grunt, comment #44. You said it well.
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Comment #45 | Thursday, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Aaaaah yes, the wimp factor. Grunt, I call names?! I do? I heard about gun owners turning things around and then crying wolf; now I have found out for myself. May I remind you, my dear Grunt, that while I may have jabbed one comment below the belt at you -- #41 . . . and actually, it IS an accurate remark -- YOU have actually wished me ill will: www.thevillagenews.com/story/72287/ #7. You were sayin'? What a . . . GOOF person you are.

But of course, this make sense! A gun owner IS only concerned about HIS/HER rights, aren't they? Of course. Who cares about the victim's rights. Naah, who cares about those! You only care about your rights AFTER the trigger is pulled, but have NO concern about the VICTIM'S rights BEFORE the trigger is pulled. And THIS is what you refuse to understand and, therefore, have a losing argument. Go ahead, Grunt, go comfort your precious, bruised ego.

AND THEN, PREY DO TELL, WHAT ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF THE YOUNG COUPLE UP ABOVE?! WHAT ABOUT THEIR RIGHTS??!! HMM? WHAT ABOUT their RIGHTS?! THIS is what you gun owners just don't get. Oh well. Sooner or later -- my guess is sooner -- your argument will come to an end. Do you know why?
Because your argument is based on a lie:

A bullet is a lie because it kills which is wrong. Therefore, ALL the arguments following are also invalid. (That's what homosexuals don't get, too: homosexual intercourse is wrong. Therefore, every argument, based on this fallacy, such as gay marriage, is also wrong. If you believe that homosexual intercourse is right, let's hear it.) But OK, keep on shouting.

And that is EAXCTLY what you are doing: all you gun-totin modern- day Yosemite Sams HAVE to shout because all that your argument is . . . is a lie/fallacy. Oh well. Keep on shoutin' and recruitin' more and more Yosemite Sams as you have just done (WT & ZZZ). All that ALL of you are doing is just shouting the same ol' lie. Oh well.

WT #42

I'm not taking any meds so please spare me these silly "I love to play God" comments. [Yawn]

"Before you attack me as a gun toting Yosimite Sam, let me tell you that I am not." You OBVIOUSLY do not see the contradiction and fallacy in that statement. Oh well. Keep on thinkin', keep on thinkin'.

" . . . and neither you or anybody else is coming into my home and taking it.... got that?" OK, so you and Seriously will be on that ""Battle Goin' Out in a Blaze of Glory". Cool. At least I know who the "brave" chuckleheads will be there. Btw, before you accuse me of calling you names, what YOU Sams do not understand that when you tell the truth -- individuals believing they can out-shot the authorities -- then that IS appropriate. When you do it the way you do -- telling a lie -- it's not. In other words, there is nothing wrong in calling a fat woman . . . fat. If you disagree, and love lies, please let me know how a fat woman . . . is sexy or hot. Yeap, a man weighing 350 lbs. is hunka hunka macho. Interesting. One person who believes that he/she can out-shot the authorities IS a chucklehead. Please ask Christopher Dorner. Oh wait a minute, you can't: he's dead. Oh well. I tried.

"Dude, I read your "manifesto" 6 times and I still don't know what the heck you are even talking about!" Well, maybe that is because you are not very intelligent. That COULD, you know, be a valid explanation. Has that crossed your mind?

"What the heck is with the smoothie stuff?" You do not understand a simple and grammatically-correct sentence that states that I will be sipping on a smoothie while watching you, Seriously, et al., turned into Swiss cheese by the authorities after you refuse to obey the repeal of the Second Amendment? Well, maybe you are indeed confirming to me that you are not very bright. Believe-you-me, you ARE convincing me.

" . . . you DO NOT make any sense." Can you PLEASE prove -- or attempt to, in your case -- with a valid argument/conversation, please? Thank you.

Aah yes, in regards to Carla, ya'll have now name-dropped her a couple times, I believe. OK, OK, I'll oblige. Just because she and I currently disagree on ONE issue -- www.thevillagenews.com/story/72693/ -- doesn't mean that I disagree with her on everything, and vice versa I should like to hope. From what I have read of her comments, I would say that she is far more intelligent and, more importantly, far more sensitive than all you modern-day Yosemite Sams combined.

On the tip of one of your pinkies.

So, if you want to put her down, you keep on goin'. Liars have to lie.

ZZZ #43

"There is God and there is the devil...always will be, until the end." Nope. Your, optimism is also bursting at the seams, I see. Btw, I bumped into God the other day. Had a great chat with him. Cool guy. Really practical, actually.

" . . . doesn't mean they bought it to shoot a human." Sure, people buy guns to shot cheese puffs or cotton candy. Got it.

" . . . hunting is as common as the 'grocery store'. It's the meat for the long winter." got bow and arrow? Oh btw, just because there are, indeed, all but 2,000 of folks like you, there should be guns, ey? Are you still listenin' to that hottie from Alaska? I guess so.

"Another fact: When a horse goes lame, he is shot." Great, like you said, call a vet. That IS what I said that only the authorities would have guns. Same thing that if you actually came across a wolf or mountain lion . . . you know, those critters that kill a whooping one or two calves/year and HORRIBLY, HORRIBLY affect the ranchers' livelihood. Riiiiiiiiight. Well, call the forest rangers, etc. Works like a charm. That's how we do it here in CA. Works like a charm.

"It would be wonderful if all nations, people were at peace, but it will never happen...I told you, the Bible doesn't lie." Correct, 'cuz of the guns and bombs and tanks, and all that stuff. So if ya want peace . . . connect the dots.

"This country isn't even at peace . . . " Psst, EXACTLY! That's 'cuz of the guns. Don't tell anybody that secret, OK?

Grunt # 44
[Yawn]

Pink #45
"I abhor violence, but I'm not repealing the second amendment." I hope college logic professors see this thread and use this sentence as a prime example to illustrate a fallacy.

A bullet is a lie. Therefore, EVERY argument based on this argument is invalid. Murder is, therefore, wrong. The Second Amendment is, therefore, wrong. War is wrong. Murder is wrong. Killing is wrong. A gun is wrong. Life is right. Call me crazy.

You, modern-day Yosemite Sams, are wrong. Keep on lyin'!
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Comment #46 | Thursday, Aug 22, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Oops, correction.

Grunt
What a . . GOOD person you are.
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Comment #47 | Thursday, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:30 pm
Just a follow up to my conversation with God.

Like I said, he was really, really cool. Totally down to earth. We actually had cocktails in a bar. We did, we did. I had a vodka martini; he had a Sex on the Beach. To my dismay, I asked him if he thought this was appropriate. He answered in, yes, the stereotypical dark and very resonant voice that we have learned from Hollywood movies, "I SHALL INDULGETH OF THIS SMALL EARTHLY PLEASURE A BITETH." Alright. So then I asked him about these Christians here on earth who have guns, and believe in guns, and war, and death, and killings and all that stuff. He replied, "THEY ARE NOT REAL CHRISTIANS. THEY ARE PHONY CHRISTIANS." "Really?!", I exclaimed to my surprise. He said, "YES, THEY ARE NOT REAL CHRISTIANS. REAL CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN LOVE, AND PEACE, AND GOOD WILL ON EARTH, AND SO FORTH." "That's exactly what I thought, too, God!", I exclaimed in real surprise that God had agreed with exactly what I believe. "Wow! This is amazing!", I thought to myself. "God, sitting right next to me, is TOTALLY agreeing with me", I thought. Don't you think that's amazing, Christians? And then I asked him, "Well what happens to these phony Christians when, you know, their moment of truth comes?" He replied, "THE DEVIL SHALL TAKETH THEM."

Oops.
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Comment #48 | Friday, Aug 23, 2013 at 6:59 am
@ ZZZ #43

A follow-up question. I take it that you, too, are a gun owner. If so, would you also resist turning in your gun(s) should the Second Amendment be repealed?
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Comment #49 | Friday, Aug 23, 2013 at 7:50 am
@ My fellow debaters: I'm not the only one.

www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2013/01/kurt-eichenwald-lets-repeal-second-amendment

helenair.com/news/opinion/readers_alley/it-is-time-for-a-new-amendment-to-repeal-the/article_310cc4e2-b4c8-11e2-b43a-0019bb2963f4.html

www.democratsforprogress.com/2013/02/06/repeal-the-second-amendment/
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Comment #50 | Tuesday, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:40 pm
If you remove the guns from the people, the only guns you are going to get are the legal ones you do realize that right?

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