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Value of marijuana plants seized in Bonsall over $15 million, authorities say


Wednesday, September 1st, 2010
Issue 35, Volume 14.
Debbie Ramsey
Managing Editor


An authority with the San Diego County Sheriff's Department Narcotics Task Force says the street value of the 10,150 marijuana plants seized in a steep canyon off Interstate 15 at Gopher Canyon Road in Bonsall yesterday carry of street value of over $15 million, although early wire service reports put the value at $10 million.

The plants, although short, were prolific with high quality cannabis.

"They had been [growing] there several months, but due to the lack of sunlight, the plants had good bud on them and that's what the growers want, a significant amount of bud," said Lt. Joe Rodi.

Rodi explained that the plants were being grown under the canopy of trees surrounded by very thick brush.

"We had to contact some homeowners in the area and ask if we could hike through their yards to access the canyon area; the brush was very thick and it was very difficult to get through," said Rodi.

Rodi said it was not possible to see the plants from the freeway or other roadway.

"It was hidden pretty well," he said. Rodi would not disclose how authorities became aware of the marijuana growing operation.

"We're not going to give away our secrets," he said. But one thing was clear, the plants were being irrigated through a pirated method from another property in the area.

"We believe [the water] was being taken from an avocado grove the next canyon over," said Rodi. When asked how common it is for a property owner to realize water is being diverted from his or her lines to water an illegal operation, he said, "A lot of avocado growers don't Advertisement
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even realize they are being tapped into."

Given the number of plants confiscated at the location, Rodi called the seizure magnitude "moderate to high."

"[This] was a pretty good-sized crop," he said.

Rodi said at first glance his team thought there were only about 500 plants at the location, and were surprised to find the operation much larger than they expected.

A team of eight law enforcement agents were dispatched to handle the removal of the plants, cutting the stalks off at the ground and placing them into bundles.

"They were then taken to a storage location prior to being destroyed," said Rodi, adding that the cutting method is adequate for eradication because the plants are "one time plants that do not regenerate."

"We do not contaminate the ground anymore than it already is," he said.

No arrests have been made at this time, Rodi said, and the investigation is hampered by the fact that little evidence was found at the site to work with.

Previous version of story

(Wed. Sept. 1, 2010, 11 a.m.)

BONSALL - More than $10 million worth of marijuana plants were found growing in a steep canyon in Bonsall yesterday, Tues. Aug. 31.

The seizure, made off Interstate 15, near Gopher Canyon Road, involved 10,150 plants, San Diego Sheriff's Detective Steve Reed told The San Diego Union-Tribune.

Reed, a member of a narcotics task force, said the marijuana growers were diverting water from an avocado orchard to grow the illegal drug, the newspaper reported. But it was not immediately clear whether that's what led authorities to it.

No arrests have been reported yet.

Watch this site for more information as it becomes available.


 

71 comments


Comment Profile ImageBUD
Comment #1 | Wednesday, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:45 am
Darn, there goes the price again!

Comment Profile Imagelol
Comment #2 | Wednesday, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:23 pm
this gives illegal mexican drug cartels more power when we don't grow it ourselves.

Comment Profile ImageAngry tax payer
Comment #3 | Wednesday, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:29 pm
why not spend the time and money on a the real drug problem, all the meth in this county

Comment Profile Imagejnome
Comment #4 | Wednesday, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:36 pm
nobody smokes outdoor anymore! some more waste of takes payer dolors when our schools suck and that weed could be generating tax money... its a no brainier...

Comment Profile Imagecase in point
Comment #5 | Wednesday, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:09 pm
jnome, dude. you're the reason weed should be illegal. your brain's fried ... just read what you wrote.

Comment Profile ImageFallbrookres
Comment #6 | Wednesday, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Oh no!
Someone has just lost there investment.....Oh well, I guess thats there is risk in any business venture.

Comment Profile ImageMichael
Comment #7 | Wednesday, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:24 pm
My friend was nearby, the actual take was about 20 plants....

Comment Profile ImageJuan
Comment #8 | Wednesday, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:30 pm
What a waist of taxpayers dollars! Shouldn't the DEA and the Sheriffs Dept., be going after the real bad guys?
$10 million dollars. Who's doing the counting? What a croc!

Comment Profile Image420 OK
Comment #9 | Wednesday, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:35 pm
I am all for legalization and taxation of marijuana, but I agree that these illegal operations should be stopped. While lol says "this gives illegal Mexican drug cartels more power when we don't grow it ourselves." chances are that the cartels are the ones that were growing it here. Most operations of that size are cartel run. So stop complaining and Legalize marijuana so they can focus on meth and real dangerous drugs.

Comment Profile Imagerak
Comment #10 | Wednesday, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:44 pm
Well! I've heard it all now! How can u support one drug over another? It all leads to the same high. I hope the united states executes or sends all the users to prison

Comment Profile ImageLito
Comment #11 | Wednesday, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:06 pm
sell this plants to legal marijuana stores for medicinal purposes and give the money to Bonsall school district, they need new computers and copiers for the schools.

Comment Profile Imagewhat
Comment #12 | Wednesday, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:11 pm
execute drug users? rak you have issues.
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Comment Profile Imagewhat
Comment #13 | Wednesday, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:13 pm
and better yet... america supports thousands if not 10s of thousands of legal prescription drugs given to millions of people, should we execute them too?

Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #14 | Wednesday, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Mexican cartels, DUH!

Comment Profile ImageSJR
Comment #15 | Wednesday, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:31 pm
WoW!!! Now how can 10,000 plants go unnoticed for so long if it is near Gopher Canyon and the 15!!?? Thats a high traffic area! And $10 million street value? When they do their guesstimation are they basing it on packages of 1 gram sales at a time? Highly inflated number to make it all that more sensational in the press for people who dont know but most do know thats ridiculous. I assume anyone who grows 10,000 + plants isnt selling it in 1 gram increments. Would take forever to sell it and by then it wouldnt be any good. Honestly, its weed. Its not heroin. If anyone reads this story its more than likely with a total air of non chalance as a larger population of people enjoy using it, far more than days of old when it was toughted in the Reefer Madness video lol. I agree with some, legalize it and tax it. Send money to schools and other programs that got cut funding the disabled and elderly.

Comment Profile ImageLmfao
Comment #16 | Wednesday, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:59 pm
THE GOV IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY BOYS AND GIRLS IT IS ALL A BIG GAME THEY CONTROL IT ALL IT IS NOT LEGAL BECAUSE IT CREATES WAY TO MANY JOBS DONT YOU THINK IF WE WANTED TO WE COULD WIPE OUT EVERY DRUG CARTEL ON THE PLANET? COME ON PEOPLE WAKE UP, I BET YOU THINK YOUR VOTE REALLY MATTERS TO LMFAO!!!

Comment Profile ImageBUD
Comment #17 | Wednesday, Sep 1, 2010 at 3:04 pm
I'm with Lito. Lets have a half baked sale to benefit the bonsall school.

Comment Profile Imagejohnny
Comment #18 | Wednesday, Sep 1, 2010 at 4:11 pm
Just drink some coffee. Dope is for idiots.

Comment Profile ImageSTR8 Shooter
Comment #19 | Wednesday, Sep 1, 2010 at 4:20 pm
If the DEA wants to find marijuana they should just hang out at a high school. If the DEA wants find meth they should just follow unshaven adult males riding bicycle without a helmet and bike shorts.

Comment Profile ImageYea;..Yea..
Comment #20 | Wednesday, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:23 pm
hey lol how do you know these aren't the cartels plants, there invading every where?!

Comment Profile Imageobservant
Comment #21 | Wednesday, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:47 pm
Our prisons are full.

Our state and nation are broke.

Legalize it and tax it.

Comment Profile ImageBud Lee
Comment #22 | Thursday, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:10 am
Why do they gotta pic on the little guys with Red Hair?

Comment Profile ImageTosh
Comment #23 | Thursday, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:45 am
Rak, I seriously hope you are a troll. Humans have been consuming drugs since 2000 BC. It has been a long complicated relationship for a long time. It was not until recently, that users have been made criminal, that all these problems arise. I wish i was born 100 years in the future, by then society should realize this.

Comment Profile ImageReality Checker
Comment #24 | Thursday, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:42 am
Lito, your on to something there...I like your idea a lot.

Comment Profile Imagemom of lots
Comment #25 | Thursday, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:31 am
rak- Nazi Germany during Hitler's time is what it would look like here if you were to execute all drug users- or even worse.

Comment Profile ImageWesley
Comment #26 | Thursday, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:51 am
It's a good job we didn't have a canyon fire, alot of hungry firefighters slowly walking around....

Comment Profile ImageUncle of someone
Comment #27 | Thursday, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:05 pm
I agree with "Mom of Lots" Rak is just out of control with his beliefs! Many of his friends and family would be executed and they would find some way to get him to. American is about tolerance (in theory) and we sure don’t see that as much anymore. Booze is much more serious problem in this country than the evil weed. My humble opinion.

Comment Profile Imageyeah baby
Comment #28 | Thursday, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Legalize it. Don't deny it
.
There will be a lot more happier/less stressed out people.

Never heard of anyone dying of weed smoking. Cigarettes and alcohol are legal and it kills everyday.

Comment Profile ImageHarvestonian
Comment #29 | Thursday, Sep 2, 2010 at 8:48 pm
Weed kills, alright. It kills your desire to get anything done. I've seen first hand what it did to a friend of mine.

Check out the lyrics to this song by Afroman: http://www.mp3lyrics.org/a/afroman/i-was-gonna-clean/

It says it all.

Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #30 | Friday, Sep 3, 2010 at 11:46 am
It's a problem and if legalized, a real "big" problem. Last week while sitting out on the corner with a bunch of folks, see I live in a smoke free community so we have to smoke outside. A friend pulled out a "roach" and offered me a hit. Now I used to be a "big" smoker in my youth, sampled all the non-skunk weed that was availible at the time so I can be considered a weedophile but I just took one hit off that roach and I was blown away. THe quality and strength of today's weed is at least 100 times more than your fathers weed. This causes problems if or when legalized. One, you will have to work with these burnouts, your life and safety will be in jeopardy. Another is these folks will be on the roadways. Now I hear people say they drive perfect while stoned, horse hockey, your responses are slower and your concentration is diminished. I lost a new car believing that nonsense while looking at the lights while sailing through a red one. If this law passes, California will be a far more dangerous place to live and work.

Comment Profile Imagehmmm
Comment #31 | Friday, Sep 3, 2010 at 3:08 pm
RealRay..you should write for comics!!Hilarious

Comment Profile Imagesilentpartner
Comment #32 | Friday, Sep 3, 2010 at 6:21 pm
They will never...ever be able to stamp out pot smoking or pot smokers. This nonsense of chasing this freaking plant will continue till we are all dead and long gone. Meanwhile laws remain unchanged and money will be wasted and the outcome will never benefit anyone.
We have see this circle most of all our lives and they are no closer today than they were 50 years ago! You would think that the powers to be would have made this discovery by now.
This could not be just one generation because there is no end in sight. My personal choice is not to partake of the hemp plant. I prefer cigars. I would never criticize anyone else that smokes weed. That is their personal decision. Seems like most of the people.... good people, that i grew up with have or still do smoke pot.
Live and let live!!

Comment Profile Imagelocal
Comment #33 | Saturday, Sep 4, 2010 at 12:31 pm
Hey, guess what's the only known plant to contain all the essential amino acids and fatty acids necessary for healthy human life? The hemp seed.

Guess what plant provides a cheap sustainable alternative to cutting down forests for paper? Hemp.

‎"If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls who live under tyranny." -Thomas Jefferson

Comment Profile ImageGeorge
Comment #34 | Saturday, Sep 4, 2010 at 5:04 pm
Yank the marijuana crops in California, give the power and money back to the cartels!

Marijuana is here to stay, folks. Buy domestic!

Comment Profile ImagePessimistic
Comment #35 | Sunday, Sep 5, 2010 at 11:39 am
Ray is correct on this one. Today's weed is not like it was 20-30 years ago.

Harvestonian is also correct: It kills your desire to get anything done. Simple statement, but completely correct for a majority of the potheads. Conservative usage, probably not so much. Unfortunately most smokers are multi-daily users leading to lack of any type of ambition.

jnome is a stoned moron. What a nonsensical, poorly written, comment. This, folks, is what we have with 75% of stoners and it will just get worse.

Those that "believe" marijuana can be "taxed" are as high as kite! Once legal you would just grow your own, with no legal ramifications. Why would anyone go to the store and "buy" it when you can grow it for FREE? The use of that claim (that it can be done) is nothing more than a weak talking point in justifying its legalization; just another ploy by the drug users/abusers to convince others who are onthe fence about it.

I really don't have a problem with "medicinal marijuana" per se - for the TRULY suffering and dieing, but we all know our ambiguous law is SERIOUSLY abused.

Comment Profile Imagelocal
Comment #36 | Monday, Sep 6, 2010 at 3:25 am
re: Pessimistic

calling the majority of marijuana users lazy is absurd. some of the hardest working men and women i know are stoners. i personally don't smoke but i support the right of all Americans to make an informed decision on what they ingest, inhale, or imbibe.

who cares if the law is abused? why should the government have the power to tell me what i put into my body in the privacy of my own home? it's legal for me to get to hammered on cheap malt liquor on my front porch, but as soon as get in my car and leave the driveway it's another matter.

...and as far as taxes go you're being far too shortsighted. we could see the birth of an entire industry especially as other states follow our lead. without federal harassment we could see local pharmaceutical manufacturers spring up to sell lab quality goods for people who need cheap effective (and much safer) medicines.

Comment Profile Imagesilentpartner
Comment #37 | Monday, Sep 6, 2010 at 8:10 pm
Hey pessimistic,
Just think of everything "YOU" use on a daily basis. Include all your utilities, fuels, foods, medicines, vitamins, any smokes, beds, carpet, housing, travel..... and on and on.
Now, tell us all, what is it "YOU" do daily, that has zero taxes involved so ALL of us can benefit from it? There is nothing that can't be taxed! Every move you make in life has a tax associated with it! If it was legalized, it would be impossible not to tax it.
I am not saying taxation is the solution, but if you have a better idea, lets hear it.
I have no clue as how to stop drugs in general. I just try to make the correct choices in life to protect myself and educate my family. That all that can be done.

Comment Profile ImageTosh
Comment #38 | Monday, Sep 6, 2010 at 9:00 pm
Im interested in why pessimistic wants to keep weed illegal? What possible benefit is there to keep arresting people who smoke weed?

Even if it makes people lazy, that is not a good reason to ruin peoples lives with 'drug' possession charges. I believe we have a right to pursue happiness in America, and if smoking marijuana is on your path to happiness, I do not see how it can be illegal.

And also, pessimistic, you speak of growing marijuana as some heinous act. Its crazy how warped our views are when we view gardening as a bad thing.

Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #39 | Tuesday, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:58 am
Local: I love your comment about supporting rights to make informed decisions, what about the rights of the majority of Californians who wish to live, work and drive in a safe enviroment, don't see anything about that in your comment. I just love Californians, think it's a constitutional right for their dog to take a dump in your yard when most have not even read either the US or State constitutions. If smoking marijuana or taking any other "illegal" drug was only a "in the privacy of one's home" issue maybe, but this goes farther than that. What Pessimistic stated was in regards to the abuser and not the casual user. AS for taxes, another thing you need to read up on in our nations history is the "whiskey rebellion" and "prohibition" both tried to circumvent the "tax man" It's like the old saying" why go out for milk when you have a cow at home". A patch of dirt, a seed, water and sun is all you need. I know California has the resin left over on the fingers of the 1960's but let's be for real here, all drugs "all" including alcohol "a drug" cause problems in society. Think about the rights of the dead killed by drugs and alcohol, I forgot they have no rights, they are dead.

One good thing, Californias unemployment rate will fall, the hundreds of thousands of inspectors, revenue agents and police officers that will need to be hired to maintain this new law. I guess you like "big brother" the government.
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Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #40 | Tuesday, Sep 7, 2010 at 8:43 am
As for medical marijuana, I would have supported the measure but I voted no. After reading the measure, one item was left out, protections to the community. If someone uses an illegal drug like marijuana, they should be required to surrender their drivers license or at least have a notation "medical marijuana user" printed on it.. If someone is so impared where conventional medications will not eliminate the pain than they are too impared to drive a motor vehicle or work. But as the states handicapped laws regarding the DMV, anyone who stubs their toe can get a blue window hanger for their vehicle, so do you actually think that only the needy will receive these cards. Too many abuses, not enough protections.

Comment Profile ImageJuan
Comment #41 | Wednesday, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:36 pm
So Ray (the real one), I too support your proposal, however, you needed to also include the following: Prescription drugs & alcohol. Anyone who uses any type of medicine that may alter or impair their judgement should have a notation on their drivers license.
Ray (the real one), one more consideration must be noted, it is: Anyone can purchase a drivers license through the "black market". Just ask anyone who is in our country illegally. Not only can a drivers license be purchased, you can also buy a birth certificate, green card and other documents.
Medical marijuana does not impair ones judgement to the point where they would present a danger while driving a car.
Ray (the real one), I'v been a pot smoker for over 40 years. My use of marijuana has never impaired my judgement in anyway what so ever. I have never been involved in an auto accident, motorcycle wreck and I have never crashed my airplane. I also hold two accredited college degres and I retired as a well respected member of my profession.
Oh, I have never been accused of being lazy!

Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #42 | Thursday, Sep 9, 2010 at 8:38 am
Juan: Duh on the first part of your comment. I wrote the book on illegals and false documents. If you believe that, read my post #30. So you been a smoker for 40 years, still listening to Leary. I'll be you I'm in far better mental and physical shape than you and I don't "bud" anymore" and I'm a slack aXX. Why the debate anyway, it's still a federal crime and fed trumps state law no matter what California does.

I guess our new attorney general will be dealing with Eric Holder soon. but we are not Arizona.

Comment Profile ImageKissmy...
Comment #43 | Thursday, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:27 pm
"Reed, a member of a narcotics task force, said the marijuana growers were diverting water from an avocado orchard to grow the illegal drug"

Illegal Drug?

What were they growin'... Heroin Plants?

Comment Profile ImageJuan
Comment #44 | Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 7:30 am
Comment #42- So, Ray (the real one)! You wrote the book? Does your book have a title? Is your book still available? Or, does your book only exist in your mind?
Yes, federal law trump state law. So, why are the local authorities still involved with helping to clear "illegal" grow fields?

As for being in better shape than me?. You may be delusional?

Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #45 | Friday, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:41 am
Juan: Ever hear of "figure of speech". I guess those ESL classes didn't pay off, might try re-enrolling.

Comment Profile ImageELLIE
Comment #46 | Saturday, Sep 11, 2010 at 2:13 am
RAY (THE REAL ONE): I gotta tell ya - I check the FVN online just to see what you come up with weekly and must say, you certainly are entertaining! You always, undoubtly, in every article you comment on, manage to turn it around to be about you...sometimes I laugh my patootie off, other times, I totally agree and then there are the times I just roll my eyes and say 'PUH-LEESE'! You definitely aren't hesitant to speak your mind!

Ray, without you, this paper just wouldn't be the same!

Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #47 | Monday, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:26 am
ELLIE: I'm the guy everyone loves to hate.

Comment Profile Imagedope men
Comment #48 | Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:04 pm
thats nothing......
theres another canyon right around the corner with a lot more
lol ;)

Comment Profile ImageTosh
Comment #49 | Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:12 pm
I dont understand why people think you cannot operate a motor vehicle if you smoke weed. The people that do not smoke, think that you are in a slowed down reality or something. Or that you cannot make quick decisions. Its almost comical, like they just watched 'Reefer Madness' and think thats how Cannabis is.

Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #50 | Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:56 pm
Anyone catch the "stupid comment of the day" which goes to the NAACP for saying they support legalizing marijuana because more (pc compiled for correctness) people of color are sent to jail for possession of this substance than whites. Using their logic, we should legalize robbery, muggings, car thefts, drive by's and a host of other activities because more people of color are sent to jail for these activities than whites. See what is happening here folks, wholesale nonsense lead by the biggest "bugwits" known to man, the libbie-coms, demicraps and their leader "Barry "badda bing" Soetoro. But I experienced this change before, believe me with Obama it's not new, Mayor Harold Washington of Chicago back in the early 1980's was the first to use the "change" slogan, boy did we get change. Where do you think Soetoro got it from in the first place? If you read "Obama Kampf" or "his struggle" there is a whole chapter about Washington. I used to respect the NAACP as an organization but today it's taken over by radicals and fools and just for that, I'm voting "NO" for legalizing marijuana in California.

Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #51 | Friday, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:19 am
Tosh: Trust me you can't. Lost a new car believing that nonsense. Marijuana slows your responses in a way different from alcohol, your more prone to distractions and your muscle control is deminished. Ever see a stoned person try to lift something heavy or win a bar fight? Why do you think cops don't fear marijuana users but come in droves when your on meth or crack?

Comment Profile ImageTosh
Comment #52 | Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Ray, I had my 215 card and I smoked almost every day for 2-3 years. You must have been impacted way more than I ever was. I never got distracted driving after I had smoked. In fact, I would put on music, and contently focus on driving. O well, everyone is affected differently. But I was a better driver after I smoked

Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #53 | Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:02 pm
That's why you broke the law. Driving while impared. Remember your card does not permit you to drive, work without passing a drug test or immune toi federal law. That is why I fill in the "no" bubble.

If this law passes, I have a "new law". Hit me+eyes dialated=PR24 upside the head.

Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #54 | Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:10 am
Well that ends it, No vote for me. When Obama's storm troopers (SEIU) approve of legalizing marijuana, you know we as a people are doomed.

Comment Profile ImageELLIE
Comment #55 | Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:41 am
Okay, I have some questions:

First of all, is being stoned really that different from being drunk? Both have similar effects and I don't think I ever saw a stoner being an obnoxious, belligerent, nasty person like ALOT of drunks are. Also, medicinal marijuana is the best idea anyone has had in years! Too many people with cancer really need it, especially with rising healthcare costs! I know, I know, there are always going to be people who abuse this and use every stupid excuse in the world to obtain it, but isn't that true with everything?

Second, if someone is going to do drugs, they're going to find it regardless. I say legalize it, tax it and quit wasting our law enforcement frivolously 'busting' people.

Wouldn't it be better to have control over drugs while generating revenue like we do with cigarettes and liquor? If this were to happen, California wouldn't have the deficit it does. It could be grown or manufactured here, generating much needed jobs.

Wouldn't this essentially eliminate the drug cartels? Just think of the amount of money going to Mexico, Central and South America due to drugs...we could use that money here! No more dealers for us to worry about, no more unnecessary killings, fear for our lives driving in certain areas of any city/town, the gangbangers wouldn't have as much control. A number of our prisons would either have to be shut down and/or have a large vacancy rate...how much money would that save the country, state and US - THE TAXPAYERS! I don't want to continue to support those locked up due to selling/using drugs and I honestly don't think many of you do either.

Granted, at first, there would be a lot of people totally out of control and overdosing, but that would be their choice, now wouldn't it? And that's what any addiction is all about - CHOICE!

A good reference is European countries that have legalized drugs and prostitution - SMART!

TO RAY: I don't think people 'hate' you perse, I think you give people a 'voice' when they don't want to express their own. You also challenge others. Granted, there are times you go overboard, but then, don't we all?

Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #56 | Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:13 am
ELLIE: If you believe that legalizing it will actually give the state any extra revenue or eliminate the drug cartels in Mexico, if you do, I have some swamp land for sale, cheap. Your talking about something you plant, water and smoke. Like prohibition, always ways to avoid the revenuers either by growing it, cartels lowering the price and enforcement will actually increase. Yes people drink and smoke the stuff, but laws prevent tham from jeopardizing society. It's a nightmare waiting to happen.

Comment Profile ImageKing for a day
Comment #57 | Saturday, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:17 pm
Here is an idea for those of you that want to legalize pot and believe it has little negative effect. Head over to FHS and check out some of the students and teachers. Remember "Fast Times at Ridgemont High"?

Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #58 | Wednesday, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:52 am
Yeah... Spicoli (Sean Penn)

Comment Profile ImageTosh
Comment #59 | Friday, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:49 am
Sooner or later, we will become a forward thinking society&all drugs will be legalized. Someone should not be made a criminal by ingesting something. That is like grounding a kid for not eating his vegetables. Yes, the vegetables are good but it is his choice in what he does. Their are other ways to go about treating drug addictions and the current penal system is so backwards that it is mind boggling. &I do not consume drugs but this is something i have come to realize. It may be 100 years from now, but drugs will not be illegal forever.

Comment Profile ImageCat Cassie
Comment #60 | Friday, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:55 am
I can't believe 10 million dollars or more worth of plants and they are going to destroy them. When California is hurting for money? Really? Thats a lot of money to flush down the toilet. That makes a lot of sence doesn't it? Now they don't destroy property like houses and cars that have been seized in a drug bust. Why not hold the plants until after Nov 2nd?

Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #61 | Saturday, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:00 am
You actually think that the state is going to receive all this money in taxes from marijuana? Reading way too much "high times" If we learned anything from the years before and after prohibition is that people will always evade the tax man, guess you never heard of a still? In the case of marijuana, any idiot can grow it, no skills required, dirt, water, sun, just look at who grows most of it now for your example. The cost of enforcement will far exceed the revenues generated and since marijuana is still classified by the fed's as a scheduled drug, no federal money in assistance will come leaving the costs of taxing, regulation and enforcement solely on the backs of California citizens. Than look that the cost to society, just too great of a cost to satisfy a few burnouts who want to toke their way through life.

Vote "NO" this November. Send Cheech "y" Chong back into the shadows.

Comment Profile Imageget real
Comment #62 | Saturday, Oct 2, 2010 at 10:22 pm
Ray, do you really believe that just because you can grow it yourself it can not be taxed? If that is true why do grocery stores have a produce section? Obviously everything in there is grown in dirt, by a seed, with water and sunlight. Tobacco is grown the same way dirt, seed, and water; and how many people do you know that grow there own cigarettes? As far as your comment "ever heard of a still" I have! Have you ever heard of a liquor store? What are you thinking? We don't have time to farm everything we consume. We go to work every day to pay a house mortgage, taxes along with all of the other bills. The fact is all the same people you think are going to run you off the road are smoking a joint right now. Your safety will not be any different than it is now. It is readily available in all 50 states. Why would you want to lock someone up who is not hurting anybody and paying taxes for the sake of your paranoia? It costs us billions of dollars to incarcerate innocent people each year while real criminals that actually hurt people and abduct children go free. I say vote "YES" on Prop 19!!!!!

Comment Profile ImageTosh
Comment #63 | Sunday, Oct 3, 2010 at 12:44 am
Ray, you just contradicted yourself while you made no sense. If any 'idiot' can grow it, then why waste money trying to make it illegal? I mean seriously....why? its completely illogical.

Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #64 | Sunday, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:53 am
Tosh: How did I condradict myself? Because it's still illegal and the "dope" lobby wants to make it legal using that tired line" it can be taxed" when just about anyone can grow it and bypass the tax stamp. I'll wait until the election to see if in fact becomes legal, but for no, it's still against the law both federal and state.

Ever think I might have been edited?

get real: Well good for you but if this law passes, my "new" law if damaged, injured or harmed by a toker is not pretty for the toker. Let's just say, toker have your final affairs in order.

I already voted no.
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Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #65 | Sunday, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:55 am
get real: Already had my back "molded" by a drunk driver, I took a pledge, "never again" and if that means going to jail for a very long time to prove my point, so be it.

Comment Profile ImageGet Real
Comment #66 | Monday, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:10 pm
No doubt a drunk driver... Sorry to hear that! Alcohol and cigarettes kill more people that weed ever has or will... Even more reason to vote "YES" instead of drinking a 12 pack every night maybe some of the drinkers will switch to smoking a joint stay home, watch a movie and get up without a hangover. Thats why the breweries are so against it they no they will loose customers..
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Comment Profile ImageAnti-Hippy
Comment #67 | Tuesday, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:55 am
Look how enthusiastic stoners are just to get closer to getting some pot, talking about "oh the government can tax it." When has ANYBODY ever been excited about paying taxes? Especially considering these people have never paid taxes for marijuana in the first place, and we all know they don't really want to start paying taxes for it now. And although stoners can pretend to think they are pleading for legalization of marijuana for the revenue it will earn to put back into the fragile infrastructure of California, in reality it's the same as any promise by a politician. Say whatever you can to get it passed, follow through with nothing if it does. The local high school and middle schools are bad enough. If it's legalized it will be as easy for kids to obtain as cigarettes and alcohol; and our children don't need to be exposed to this anymore then they already are. I don't have a problem with hippy's but their obliviousness and thinking that marijuana is some magical cure-all and super medicine is beyond ridiculous. Especially when they argue it's natural. So? Since when has something being natural meant it's automatically good? There are countless harmful things found naturally. The coca plant, used to make cocaine is also natural; and although it takes work to turn it into cocaine, it could be compared to the same fact that marijuana doesn't naturally catch on fire either.

Comment Profile ImageBB
Comment #68 | Tuesday, Oct 5, 2010 at 4:59 pm
Tosh:: You must be new to thevillagenews.com. You never mess with Ray or egleast come out winning

Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #69 | Thursday, Oct 7, 2010 at 8:36 am
Saw some polling data today. Support for the proposition is slipping fast. Seems people are reading their ballot information packet sent out last week and are putting two and two together and it's not sounding like a good idea. Even though "Swazi" signed the oounce possession law making fines $100, does that mean if I run a red light or get caught speeding, I only pay $100? Equal protection just went out the window. Let's see what happens on election day. Does California become safer or more dangerous.

Comment Profile ImageWell now...
Comment #70 | Friday, Oct 8, 2010 at 5:20 am
@Get Real: Does one think that, maybe, alcohol and cigarettes kill more people than pot because there are more law abiding citizens that use them rather than pot smokers?

Also with the passage of the pot-head law, there will have to be new laws on the books for THC akin to BAC levels when driving a car.

@Tosh: there have been, if I remember my history correctly, 22 civilizations that have risen and fallen. Most of them fell after they became extremely progressive and wanton. Just a thought. Without discipline society falls. Hence, eat your veggies whether you like it or not.

Comment Profile ImageTaxmann
Comment #71 | Wednesday, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:50 pm
How much did it cost the taxpayer for this bust?

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