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Friday, April 16th, 2010. Issue 15, Volume 14. Story Last Updated : Apr 18th.
Over 150 Fallbrookians joined other citizens around our nation protesting big government and big taxes. Local citizens gathered on Tax Day, 15 April, on the sidewalks surrounding the Fallbrook Post Office and the South Mission and Ammunition intersection sidewalks. Local residents heard about the event by "word of mouth" and from members of the newly formed nonpartisan "Fallbrook Tea Party" (See 1 April issue). A large cross-section of patriotic participants waved American flags, displayed hand made posters and showed signs expressing their reason for attending this historic event. "Over-governed and Over-taxed" read one sign; "Taxed Enough Already" read another, with the first letter of each word emphasized to convey the word "TEA." These participants were quite obviously local citizens concerned about our country's future, not outsiders. Passers-by blew their horns, waved their hands and gave thumbs up approval to the crowds of well mannered Tax Day protesters. A nonpartisan "Meet Your Candidates" function sponsored by the Fallbrook Tea Party will be held at 6:30 pm on Thursday, 13 May at the San Louis Rey Downs Golf Club, 31474 Golf Club Drive, Bonsall, CA. Local citizens will have the opportunity to examine candidates for local, state and federal offices. A questionnaire has prepared by members of the nonpartisan Fallbrook Tea Party for candidate response, Advertisement The following list contains just a few of the questions on the prepared list: 1) All elected representatives (and all military personnel) take an oath of office promising to protect and to defend our nation's constitution. Will you promise to read, understand and take your oath of office seriously if elected? 2) Steering this nation toward a "one world government" seems to be a mind set within many of our elected representatives. Will you promise to do your utmost to respect and to defend our nation's sovereignty? 3) Many of our elected representatives appear to be quite sensitive to "Political Correctness" even when it goes against basic common sense. Will you promise to pursue common sense solutions and shun pressures to be "politically correct" even when your resolve meets with great resistance? 4) This nation's founders paid a great price to break away from tyrannical English rule and to safeguard our liberty's and the God given rights of "We the People." Will you promise to do your best to safeguard all rights guaranteed in our constitution's "Bill of Rights"?
Candidates will have the opportunity to be examined by the citizens they seek to represent. A full set of questions for candidates is available by calling Dan Dakovich at: (760) 728-6807 or contact Dan at: FallbrookTeaParty@gmail.com
EARLY VERSION Hundreds of young, middle-aged and older people gathered in rallies around town yesterday protesting, as part of the Tax Day Tea Party Rallies scheduled around the country. Rally supporters were described by an observer as "civil, friendly, but not happy with the government," as they garnered honks and waves. Early version: Story and photos to be updated.
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Don't you teabaggers realize taxes have declined? If you feel as bad now as I did when Bush was president, all I can say is I've felt your pain.
IT WAS GREAT!
I paid my taxes on April 15 so this geriatric crowd can continue to enjoy medicare, social security, public roads, wars in the middle east, law enforcement personnel, schools for their grandkids, national parks, USDA inspected food, FDA tested medication, libraries, buildings that don't collapse in earthquakes, the list goes ON and ON. You folks don't look or sound like patriots or proud Americans. You more closely resemble whiny babies that are sorely in need of a diaper change.
I feel safe knowing that a percentage of my hard earned money helps fund some very important parts of 'government'. I enjoy visiting our national parks and I feel safe knowing that the CIA and EPA are also funded. Furthermore, the National Science Foundation and other key programs that keep our country's technology ahead are not going to fund themselves. Do any of these people tell their children not to apply for Pell grants? Also, How are we supposed to fund the militarty and their education?
28% federal tax, 10% Ca State tax, Sales tax at..what 7.95%? Whats that come out to...45.95% tax on each dollar I earn? Seems a bit high don't ya think? Any more taxes or fee's and I'll just go on welfare.
Taxes declined? Are you kidding me? They have not! You are delusional Redneck Bill...sorry but you really need to study up. Tax tables are way higher than last year...our non-taxable benefits are declining because 1600 Penn Ave needs MORE taxes to help pay for all these stupid programs because of the HUGE and MASSIVE deficit our "leader" put us in. What's worse is all the people who "thought" Obama would dave them...well look at them now. Out of work, no money and we who work our butts off to survive only get to help pay the people who don't work. 2 years and 7 months to go before we can figure out the next idiot in offce. You can for sure bet that our taxes will be WAY higher than ever before.
You guys are either too stupid or too liberal to understand the point. The country was founded on principles of americans being able to create the best life if they stived to do so and those that did not did not recieve special treatment. Obviously taxes need to be paid for certain things and thats not what these people are protesting. If "Bill" decides not to work, then "Bill" should get nothing, no medicare, social security, health insurance. Nothing! If "George" works his whole life and strives for greatness. Even if he makes 1,000,000 a year. Then good for him. His work should not have to pay for "Bills" kids and "Bill". If you can't see the sence in this then there is no "hope" for you.
Hey Uranium! You don't think that all of us "geriatric" folks haven't payed our fair share of taxes? Taxes that paid for your schooling? That's how you learned to read and write. I don't get you? Just what are you trying to say? Have you not given any thought to your statement. It's just plain idiotic and disrespectful. You've got the easy part done. Talking. The hard part would come when you told someone to their face what you typed in your thread to the Village News. I think the "tax" thingy that people are protesting, is the fact that people are getting services in this country are not paying any taxes. Right! And, when 2012 rolls around taxes are going to go even higher. As for the military. It's a job, nothing more. The people who work for the military make a living wage and are paid to follow the orders of our President. We don't need to be in Iraq or the Afghanistan. We're there to provide jobs. Lot's of jobs. It's not about our national security. So, pal, when you want to have a real conversation with a veteran. Let me know.
Government spending (federal, state and local) approaches 50% of GDP now and growing. Similar to China's... A sizable proportion of that spending is on entitlements, almost 75%: medicare, medicaid, social security, VA benefits. The rest includes our military and all "others". The rub comes when you look at how high the administrative costs are, i.e. the cost to all of us to run the entitlements and the"rest":at the federal level alone, 3 million Government employees are feeding off the annual federal budget...much like the serpent swallowing its own tail: it is bound to gag and ...stop? Oh yes, stop the insanity and CUT costs NOT increase taxes, it's that simple.
Did you know how much of the taxes are not used to benefit the people but to pay fat saleries and even fatter pensions to government personal? Double dipping, full livetime pensions for a 4 year term etc. Making education unafordable!!!! Reminds me of colonial times. It was a tool to keep the natives uneducated to prevent revolutions. Have you noticed that there is really no need to invest in education?? If there are enough ambitious children of parents to fill the jobs. And you may have noticed it there are not enough coming out of our system we just import them. The problem are not the taxes but in whose pocket the money ends up.
Redneck Bill and Income Tax- your government loves you. You are the way they want every American to think- congratulations. Our govt was fully funded before the institution of the income tax. Income taxes are unconstitutional. An agreement between someone who wants a service and someone who completes that service (aka employer and employee) have made a private contract and the govt should not come in to take their stipend. You know what really burns me? The Death Tax. Govt get your filthy hands off our money! Scale down your monstrosity. You obviously can't handle being so big- can't seem to handle paying your bills. Seems you have to go the federal reserve and get more paper money printed so you can make the rest of us financial serfs from birth till death.
Is it true you have to be 65+ to join the Fallbrook Tea Party?
Check the facts..Some places are CBSnews.com and search"National debt under Bush vs Obama" also Heritage.org has a great scale of the deficit..notice no refrences to Fox news..and if I did Id say watch Glenn Beck on any given day for a rundown of figures relating to budget crisis..and wasteful spending..BY ALL politicians..Al Gores private jet is just the beginning...
Juan. your right..Uranium to say the things you've said, makes me wonder if you've ever really thought where your taxes are going. I worked 35 years and due to an accident at work, I have been placed on permanent disability, single mom of two, 860.00 a month. I trusted the workmen's comp to take care of me and they screwed me over for a lifetime....I payed taxes for those who chose to live on welfare and fake disability(like being a drug addict and such) and live in severe pain, wanting nothing more than to go back to work, but California has chosen to make me wait till I;, 50 yrs, old to replace my knees and fix what has happened to me since with everything else that could have been prevented had I been taken care of when the accident happened at work. So please quit your whining about geriatric people and believe me when I say everyone pay theirs taxes to what end??? I pray and hope you never need ssi or soc. sec. disability to live on and support your family, that is why I pay the high taxes and medi-care to help everyone in this country as our right to claim what we as a country paid into....We paid for your schooling and such just like our grandparents paid ours. So please take heart to what you say and feel for those who came before you and paid your way....By the way even young people attended from 18 and on, so unless your totally without heart, think before you speak and and prove your an idiot for those who speak before thinking usually prove they know nothing of the facts. God Bless America and you too...
Where were these people when Bush was taking us from a budget surplus to an outrageous deficit by ignoring the real threat, Al Queda/Afganistan, to go off on a personal vendetta in Iraq.
The event went off on time and was recieved very well by most on lookers and passers by. What was most surprising was that not one person came up to anyone and told us we were wrong and misguided. also I noticed several people honking and cheering us on were black, and hispanic ,oriental, or other races. Yes,most of us were older,some could stand and had to sit in chairs,but even older people can still vote and will.
"Taxation without representation" That was what Patrick Henery was concerned about , Wow! He should see it now with representation!
Hey Redneck, Taxes declined thanks to President Bush. Obama is about to let that tax reduction expire. Do you run your checkbook the way the Feds do ? I think NOT! Be on the lookout for a national sales tax (added value tax). Canada has it, most of Europe has it. Do you think a young County like the US became so powerful functioning like those countries ? I think NOT! Time to shake the pols to get their attention...and I am not on social security, nor was the fireman with us , the police dept personel, the teachers, etc. What are you afraid of???
REDNECK BILL: Wasn't there a tax increase just recently in California? If there wasn't, I'd like to know why I'm paying more sales tax for everyday purchases and why my property tax increased this year. URANIUM: What are you, 12?? Unless you are solitarily confined within the boundries of your own domicile, YOU are and/or will be benefiting from every item you listed the 'gereatrics' are. Just what do you think your tax dollars go for?? Sounds to me like YOU are unpatriotic and not so proud to be an American. Talk about needing a diaper change! PUH-LEESE!!! WAY TO GO TEA PARTIERS!!!
Trillions in debt so far..Redneck Bill..what were the numbers when George W went OUT of office...compared to what the deficit is today..2 years into this term? Does that number not bother you??To have our childrens children in a bankrupt nation?
Redneck Bill: I wasn't a Bush fan either. He grew the government and spent too much damn money. But on that count Obama is Bush on steroids. And I wish the ONLY problem was taxes. It's about the corruption Stupid. And the hyper-inflation heading our way from all that printed money. The more you sell out your power to the government the more you lose your liberty. Don't be bought.
Redneck Bill: How does it feel to be on the other end of an unpopular comment and position?, who say's there is no god. Live with it.
#7 Excellent as well as comments from others..This country is becoming a"Robin Hood"nation..cept robbing from the rich AND middle class and share EVERYTHING with those who CHOSE NOT TO WORK..I am sick of it...RedNeck Bill..some of those tax deductions were put in place by George W and will not be in place in the coming years..what about the inheritance tax?Familiar with that,Bill? Its NOT a republican/democratic thing..its a constitutional right that what i earn I should be able to keep..I have the constitutional right NOT to share my portion with others who choose NOT to contribute. I support persons who have the balls to get out and speak their mind..Im sure when the democrats are outspoken,Bill, that doesnt bother you..
caln8tive, They have so, have so. This could go on forever. Just try something different. Turn Rush and Glenn off long enough to do a little research on your own, instead of being told what is happening. You'll find federal taxes declined. Now I'll agree with you that they're going up. But they didn't this year. And while Obama is adding to the deficit, the lion's share of it comes from Bush's war. Don't you just hope Sarah gets elected in 2012? Bush proved you don't have to be smart to be president, and with foreign policy skills like being able to see Russia from her porch, well, yee haw buddy. I just hope she doesn't get mad and have to quit, like she did in Alaska.
Redneck Bill: Did Rachel or Keith tell you that?
Some of the people commenting need to learn a bit more about Federal revenue and spending: www.heritage.org/budgetchartbook/default If you know how to cut and paste maybe you could get a little education. Although it is a little bit harder to learn than just spew venom!
A new New York Times poll shows Tea Partiers are grumpy, older, well-off Americans who think white people are oppressed—in other words, Republicans. But then again, this is just more lies from the "Lamestream Media" as Teabagger queen Sarah would say. So ya just can't trust it, darn lieberals!
I love the sign "OverGoverned and OverTaxed....We the People" Amen!
It becomes so apparent, when reading some of these stupid comments, how we have been shackled with this arrogant, inexperienced excuse for a president. People like Redneck here, have no idea what they're talking about and then choose to lecture those who do. Everyone should remember that when a country has more takers than payers, it is doomed to fail. That's what road we are on.
Preamble to the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security". We have the right!
No. There are no requirements to join the Fallbrook Tea Party. We are a diverse nonpartisan group of citizens forming around the values we cherish. Our founders had the wisdom to put together a great constitution (the highest law of our land) to protect our liberties. Our right of free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom to bear arms are just a few of the freedoms U.S. citizens enjoy. However, our representatives who took an oath to protect and to defend our constitution are legislating away the very rights they swore to protect. We are a diverse group of common sense volunteers... Registered Independents, Republicans, Democrats who care for their country. No party affiliation is required. Check it out at FallbrookTeaParty@gmail.com. Our nation's founders also had the wisdom to set up a representative government of We the People. We have the privilege of voting out those who prove that they won't abide by their oath of office. Let's just vote 'em out and vote in those who love their country and identify themselves with We the People, just as our nation's founders did. Check out the video interview of Hunter and his mom. Age obviously isn't a drawback.
My Dad fought in the Army 4 Years 8 Months and 21 Days for my FREEDOM, not become a Slave to debt. It is time to GET US OUT of Omama-Nomics. If you think we are taxed too much now, just wait until CAP and Trade kick in and trickle down Inflation hits you. I heard just ONE page of the 2000+ Obama-Care that was voted in last month will cost one company ONE BILLION and do you think that this cost will not be past on to the consumer...Just wait and see
Rocky Balboa, you're part of the problem. You think only seniors were at the Tea Party? I'm 42 and very concerned our country is becoming so socialist and you younger people, with the exception of Hunter, is all under Obama's charismatic spell. Believe me, he has a hidden agenda. Just wait!
Ellie, et al, Your statements make it clear you are listening to someone who is distorting facts. State sales tax did go up. But do you understand the difference between state and federal government? States set their own sales and income tax rates. Obama has nothing to do with state taxes. He also has nothing to do with property taxes. They are set by the state as well. And yes, Bush's tax cuts, while our nation was at war and our surplus was evaporating, are about to expire. But only for married couples making more than $250K. I realize most of you folks fit into that category and thus are very unhappy, but I don't, so I'm OK with it. In fact, I think this country allows people to succeed, and it isn't unreasonable to ask them to give back. All I can say is just keep teabagging.
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The health"care" bill that Obama came up with will also affect those privately insured in a bad way. Right now my husband provides our family with VERY affordable insurance and wonderful healthcare for our large family through his company. Once this all goes through, his company will have to pay a high tax on each employee they privately insure. So, what does that mean for us? My husband's affordable healthcare will no longer be so affordable. I am sick and tired of our awful govt ripping everyone off- taking our inheritances, taking almost half our wages, ripping us off on property taxes and with ALL this $- they STILL can't pull it together. And this has nothing to do with Republican, Democrat, whatever. That is an OLD argument. We are under dictatorship rule wether its Bush or Obama- we have no authority over our $, we are debt ridden and all they want is more. MORE ain't gonna solve it, more means just more down the toilet. So sick of it all! To those asleep at the wheel- thanks a lot. Go ahead and open your pocketbooks and just keep giving to a bankrupt entity. You say you are happy with what your taxes pay for? Your taxes pay for DEBT!!!! Debt for you, your grandkids, great grandkids and on and on. I wish there was another Mayflower.
Where is my tea bag?? I am 100% in favor of this movement. Next step, let's get this Socialistic President out of office. He has ruined our nation. We need tax cuts, we need to support the economy, not drown us in more debt from his lame bail out attempts. We need to give business owners a break so they can hire more out of work people. We need to make certain this horrible health bill is never put into effect. He is destroying our country and I do not know how anyone cannot see that. How can you defend such a village idiot?
That's absolutely spot on, Falbrookian. Somewhere in Kenya their village is missing it's IDIOT
If my title is "Clerk" or "Lawyer" or "Milk Man" or "Doctor" then I must live with my financial means without robbing from another person. If I am fortunate enough to have won the trust of "We the People" and my title is "Congressman" or "Senator" then it's OK for me to waste money on non-essentials as long as I took it from "We the People". If "We the People" are financially responsible we should expect, no, demand that those we elect to represent us be financially responsible also, especially with the money we provide them? Shouldn't we? 
Blaming one political party over another solves nothing. Creeping socialism has been creeping along under both Republican and Democrat administrations for decades. Career politicians of either party who say anything to get elected for another term and then go right on spending We the People's money and increasing debt without restraint don't deserve our respect or our support. Our founders had it right when they penned our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution. These documents are signed by those who identify themselves as "We the People," not "Kings" for their subjects. That mind set is what our founders paid dearly to break away from. 
If you decide to give your money to another and reach into your pocket and do so, you are generous, giving, praiseworthy. If I decide to give money to another person and reach into your pocket to do so, I'm a thief, a robber, and reprehensible. A government that robs from Peter to pay Paul will have Paul's support (and the understandable anger of Peter).
Comment#34..let me get this very clear..YOU stated that since some people work VERY hard to make the income thay make..then its"FINE"to ask them to pay it back?Where in the constitution does it say"we the people..since we make money and some choose not to..we can support all others" You ,sir..or madam, have a very different opinion.
OK so there are tea bags, signs, and affirmations of patiotism. I agree, but what difference is it really going to make? The people of this country habitually elect liars, cheats, and socialists. Why is O-Drama still in office? Did he ever produce his verifiable birth certificate?
HEY LIBERALS! Get help here: www.LiberalsAnonymous.info And read the USA Constitution.
Redneck Bill #1 - MOST tax payers WILL pay more in 2010; the threshold for the % cut offs have changed, so while one can SAY the rates are lower, most taxpayers will pay more. #24 No, the debt has gone up more under Obama for things OTHER than "Bush's War". Look at the stimulus package, bail out and other items that have produced nothing but debt - oh and a government ownership of GM. #34 - "Give back", "allow to succeed". Why should I "give back" something that was NOT given to me to "allow to succeed (sic)" those that do not try on their own? Equal opportunity is American, "for each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is not.
These fellas sure are crazy. If the U.S. quit being Israel's personal puppet there'd sure be a lot more tax money in our own country.
Dont these white, overweight Obama haters realize Bush spent more money, and grew the government, and got the country in more debt than ever in history? And that doesn't even count the war credit card debt! Cheney and the oil men made a butch of money though.
REDNECK BILL: Please explain: 'Your statements make it clear you are listening to someone who is distorting facts.' what facts may that be? apparently I missed something here and yes, I know the difference between state and federal tax...my statement was in response to yours that taxes have gone down.
These Tea Idiots will listen to anything Rush Linbaugh says, or perhaps the ever so intelligent Sara Palin. I agree that the government needs to stop wasting our tax money, but these are republican windbags who forgot about the face that the Bush administration with its wars and coziness with oil and big business sent the country into this whole mess. Where were these spupid Tea Idiots then?
Somehow I don't correlate less than .5% of the town's population as "enthusiastic" support.
While I am not a "tea bagger" I'm wondering where some of you are getting your idea that they are all senior citizens? (oh yeah the New York Times) I'm afraid the NYT wouldn't know the truth if it ran over them with a truck but be that as it may I happened to be in Escondido on the 15th and had to try and drive through the crowd of tea baggers that were picketing city hall and I have to tell you that there were lots of young and middle aged people, many with young children in tow, carrying those anti-tax signs.
Bill E, The VN is really reaching with this "article". It would be exciting to see more journalistic integrity and less reflexive endorsement of teabaggery coming from this publication.
You guys just cannot get off the right vs left, Rep. vs Dem, Rush Limb vs. whoever, Obama vs. Bush mentality can you? As long as you guys keep throwing the hot potato back and forth, we are left with what we have. It's not Obama, it's not Bush, ITS ALL OF THEM. Wake up- they all are putting our nation trillions further into debt- no matter the reason....stimulus, bailouts, war, welfare, you name it. We all have heard of the term "welfare state". Ever heard of the term "warfare state"? It is all the same- debt wracking, power hungry, drunk politicians controlling me and controlling you and our descendents.
Perhaps I should educate myself as to what the Tea Party movement is truly all about. If it's about restoring fiscal responsibility to our bloated, out of control government that is on the brink of destroying the country under a mountain of debt, I'm supportive. However, if it's part of some conservative social movement that advocates denying gay men and women the right to make basic determinations about our lives (ie the right to marry)in the name of someone else's religious beliefs then I'm not supportive.
Funny, not one person ever turned out to support Hopeycare in the past year. The childish hatred the left is showing towards any opposition shows exactly where they stand when it comes to tolerance.
HEY FOLKS: Did you know that using multiple scren names shows up as coming from the same IP address. Get my drift 1 Dring & Blame Game. I think the FBVN should go back to a sign on process for postings. Would eliminate the "spamming".
watch the third video, you'd think folks who care so much about money would know how to count. I honestly don't see over 150 people there, more like 25. Was a mistake to put a video that showed the reality of the situation in this sponsored article
Why do I feel that a lot of these Tea Party protesters are Hypocrites. How many of these people own a mortgage and have not payed it off? How many of these people own money on their credit cards? Do these people have other debts? If so you are a hypocrite! Financial companies were able to make derivatives out of derivatives out of derivatives because during the Bush years people drank the kol-aid. They needed you to get into debt to do this. Obama is now using Keynesian economics to try and bring us out of the deep recession he was given. Keynesian economics was used during the great depression. People turn off the T.V. because you are being lied too.
Let's see - bush burned through the budget surplus and you guys were no where to be seen. Sour grapes? Hypocrites? Tools of the right? Take your pick.
Fallbrook Turn off the TV - you have an excellent point regarding people's use of borrowing money, however, it is their choice to borrow money and not someone in govt borrowing it for them and saddling them with debt. If people want to take on debt, so be it. But the govt has no jurisdiction to give America trillions of debt through the unconstitutional use of the federal reserve. And you bring up good ol FDR and his infinite wisdom of the "New Deal" during the Great Depression. There were many long term ill effects from that decision and we would have gotten out of the depression without it in time. Obama is lame- "stimulate" the economy with debt- please!! Also, he is continuing the warfare state just as fast as Bush continued it. All these dictators promise this and that, and everyone falls for their lies and bloated egos that they can "save" the country. And they will not be able to even begin that process until they learn basic economics. Try Austrian economics- a bit more successful. Problem is, they would have to admit they are simply powerless in many ways to solve all of our ills, something hard to swallow.
BonsallGayGuy: I don't think this grass roots group would be your "cup of tea", get it. They do not address your concerns regarding gay marriage, sorry, just traditional American values. Don't have to be religious to reject homosexuality, I do not believe in god or gay anything. But everything else fiscal responsibility, smaller government and respect for the constitution are just some of what the "tea party" movement is all about. I forgot one thing, to dethrone the king at 1600.
To Ray(the real one)That would be great if they don't address social issues like same sex marriage! But if they do, I'd like to know what their positions are. Do they have positions on other social issues such as women's reproductive rights, government sponsored prayer in the public schools etc. And just what are traditional American values anyway? I'd really be curious to know. I would love to be able to vote for candidates who will act in a more fiscally prudent manner. I don't relish having a larger and larger percentage of my income taken from me by confiscatory tax policies to fund a never ending array of social welfare programs. But it's just really difficult for me to in good conscience vote for a politician who just tried to FORCEABLY DIVORCE me and my legally married spouse against our will. (Thank goodness the CA Supreme Court saw fit to uphold my marriage and all of those who married before the passage of prop. 8). So again I must ask exactly what the Tea Party stands for?
Tomorrow, 4 /21, Senators Kaufman and Brown will be introducing a Break Up The Banks bill. This bill can mean the largest reform to the power of large corporations in 80 years. And here we go again, the republicans respond to the Goldman Sachs fraud charges by announcing that they will filibuster any financial system regulation. Can anybody see a trend here ? Without major reforms, the next crisis is going to be worse than the last. Today's juvenile partisan antics guarantee no meaningful reform bill will be produced, and mock our own history of bipartisan bank reform. In 1932, Senate investigations into the behavior of banks that precipitated the 1929 stock market crash were commissioned by a Republican Congress under Republican President Herbert Hoover. They continued under Democrat President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and substantive reform was passed, including the Glass-Steagall Act that decisively separated speculative from consumer oriented banks. Equivalent investigations this year are a joke. Glass-Steagall was largely dismantled in 1999 by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, fueling consolidation in the banking, securities and insurance sectors and legitimizing the merger of Citicorp and Travelers Inc. to create Citigroup Inc. The Obama administration is effectively turning back the clock with its proposal to bar depository institutions from proprietary trading or funding private-equity firms or hedge funds.
During a week where the SEC sues Goldman Sachs for fraud, any utterance in support financial reform is conspicuously absent from the teabaggers. I guess big banks and corporations pillaging and plundering American citizens is A-OK by these fine folks. War good, Taxes bad, gays and minorities not welcome, Healthcare/Life itself a privilege not a right, "The free market will correct itself"...sounds like a Republican to me. The group was fairly grassroots at its beginning and composed of Ron Paul libertarians. When they decided to join forces with all the Sarah Palin fans (the GOP's sad attempt at "diversity" along with Michael Steele), the message became muddled, incoherent, and disingenuous. And don't let anyone get you down Bonsall Gay Guy. There are plenty of us out there who believe the freedom to marry the adult partner of your choice is very American. We will see it happen in our lifetimes. Sadly, what many of these arguments are about is the fact that the demographics of America are changing and those who do not want it to change are angry. The biggest change being that we are on the precipice of several civil rights struggles all at one time. The struggle to accept a black democrat president with a foriegn name as legitimate is a tough one for a lot of folks. The tea party is full of a lot of phony populism. This is basically a war of the haves against the have nots cloaked in "anti-government" and "freedom".
Show me one person who agrees with every ideal that a poltical person or party stands for. Remember during the election Obama took a stand against gay marriage..where was the outrage then? Some folks forget so quickly...Just because you support some of the"tea bagger"ideology,you dont have to agree with them on everything. Its humerous to me that Liberals refer so often to"Rush Limbaugh" as if he is the conservative voice..perhaps he is to some but not to many others..Just like Al Sharpton..or Jane Fonda may not be the Liberal voice either..
I think what we have here is a lot of Rep vs Dem and the issue is a lot bigger. The Tea Party Movement is about keeping big government from taking over our lives. Do we want to become a Socialist nation the way that Europe is going Somany people think the government should take care of everything. Heath ins used to be a perk of working, now it seems to be thought of as an entitlement. Anyone can get medical treatment, they just want someone else to pay for it. Medicare is forced on you. It should be an option. People wake up your are losing your freedoms bit by bit and your squabbling over petty things.
#62 Wondered about Tea Party Values. The Fallbrook Tea Party Essential (Core) values were published in the 1 April issue which reported their kick-off meeting in Fallbrook. These core values as reported are: 1) Support for the U.S. Constitution as written and amended; 2) limited government, limited taxation, fiscal responsibility; 3) equality, life, liberty, pursuit of happiness; 4) national sovereignty, national security; 5) government of the people, by the people and for the people; 6) integrity, honesty, humility, love of country, true to oath; 7) rule of law, property rights; 8) common sense over ‘political correctness;’ and 9) peaceful assembly and right to petition government. Candidates who show by their past performance that they share these values can be confident that they will get their votes. Conversely, candidates won't if they don't.
BonsallGayGuy: I am conservative but not a member of any party. I believe in equal pay for women, I do believe in abortion, but limiting the criteria. Roe vs. Wade was a good law but is slowly became State supported birth control. I believe in less government and not the european syyle proposed by King Barry.I believe in personal responsibility. I believe in the rule of law. I believe in secure borders and no amnesty. I believe in free markets and less government interference. I believe in parents raising their children, not the government. I believe in the constitution, every amendment. The list is so large, I can't list everything here but I do not believe in granting federal protections for a lifestyle.
Now that we've got all that out of the way and agree the whole issue is about money and the lack of it. Can we not yet come together and start working on the real things that are causing our cost of living in this country to go up and our earning power to go down ? Like outsourcing our jobs and the incredible waste of our money caused by needless war ? After you watch the following video and read the article that follows it (second link) then next time you hear someone say something about our heroes defending our freedoms you'll remember this video and maybe you will understand what the actual cause of terrorism is and know that in most cases it is a "reaction" to what we are doing and not something ridiculous like "they hate our freedoms." Then maybe you will see the only defense against terrorism just might be to stop killing innocent people and occupying their countries.. Ps the thing that really gets me is the glee with which the pilot performs his job, looking for any excuse to use his weapon, even manufacturing one, just like a video game. And keep in mind that it costs us one million of our tax dollars per soldier per year for this nonsense. http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/04/05/watch-the-wikileaks-video-revealing-u-s-military-cover-up/ http://www.truthout.org/soldiers-wikileaks-company-apologize-violence58714
uranium: Guess your a tad bit out of date. The government's witness lost his credibility. The government's case is now falling apart but everyone knows this photo op suit was generated from the oval office. What better to blame while trying to pass legislation. Like I said, the chicago way. Remember it was the "demmies" who pushed and forced banks for NINA (No Income No Assets) loans in the first place and guess what, most were "minorities".
66. gone and glad says : I think what we have here is a lot of Rep vs Dem and the issue is a lot bigger. The Tea Party Movement is about keeping big government from taking over our lives. Gone is partly right, I am all for people getting off their butts and getting active but the majority of teabaggers rhetoric is childish, recest and narrow minded. It is not our government but those acting within our government. Consider this little bit of capitalism run a muck that causes our cost of living to go up... High-frequency trading (HFT) is algorithmic-computer trading that finds "statistical patterns and pricing anomalies" by scanning the various stock exchanges. It's high-speed robo-trading that oftentimes executes orders without human intervention. But don't be confused by all the glitzy "state-of-the-art" hype. HFT is not a way of "allocating capital more efficiently", but of ripping people off in broad daylight. It all boils down to this: HFT allows one group of investors to see the data on other people's orders ahead of time and use their supercomputers to buy in front of them because the big HFT players are able to see other investors orders (and execute trades) before them. . It's called front-loading, and it goes on every day right under SEC chairman Mary Schapiros nose. The way they pull this off is beyond belief. The deep-pocket bank/brokerages actually pay the NYSE and the NASDAQ to "colocate" their behemoth computers ON THE FLOOR OF THE EXCHANGES so they can shave off critical milliseconds after they've gotten a first-peak at incoming trades. The presence of these programs will guarantee huge profits to the banks running them and they also guarantee both that the retail buyers will get screwed as the market will move MUCH faster to the upside than it otherwise would. This is nothing less than high-tech highway robbery; institutional bid-rigging on a grand scale, tacitly sanctioned by industry lackeys operating from within the administration. (System Gamed) If you're wondering how Goldman Sachs and other "big banks and hedge funds" made all their money this last quarter, now you know. High-Frequency Trading is a Scam and we end up paying a higher price for everything when you consider that a barrel of oil is traded on 30 times before it gets to the consumer which ultimately means higher gas and energy cost for us. So while the fat cats get richer, our cost of living goes up If the financial crisis has taught us anything, it's that the system is NOT self-correcting. And it takes more than just rules. It takes regulators who are willing to regulate. So it would seem that conservative republicans blindly support these corporate behemoths who intentionally steal all our money they can, waste the rest, then lie about it as often as possible.
Since I don't play the market, do the credit thing and only purchase in cash, I really don't care about the "suckers" who get "screwed". Want change? forget about government, don't play with these kiddies.
Sure Ray, thanks for my laugh of the day. The mean ol' government FORCED Goldman Sachs to make all those billions and billions of dollars and FORCED them to celebrate strategies where they bet on the failure of their own products. It was all the "demmies" fault along with the minorities, as everything always is. Never mind that all of this occurred during the years Bush was president. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!!!
uranium: As I stated prior, I'm not jewish, I really don't care. Suckers play the "zionist" game, I don't. Let them all crash and burn.
uranium: you forget, the FBVN edits. That is why my last comment was not printed..... Oy Vey!
Thanks uranium, You nailed it when you said, " Pay no attention to the men behind the curtain!!!" while badmouthing the ones trying to do something, that's what sheeple do and think. Exactly what they are told on TV... Oh and Ray who said, "I really don't care about the "suckers" who get "screwed". Guess you can't see it is you along with the rest of us paying higher at the pump, for food water and everything else when it finally trickles down. I really don't think you even read the posts, just look for any excuse to jump in and run your trip. Please think about getting involved in your own hometown paper...
uranium: To avoid the "red pen" let me explain why I don't worry about Goldman Sachs. I grew up during the last democratic recession, the Carter administration. I disavowed all stock markets, federal notes and even banks. I purchased my retirement place when I was 18. All my wealth is not in stocks, bonds or bills, it's in metals and while you "slobs" lost your butts, my wealth actually rose 14%. I don't do credit or scores, I pay in cash. So whatever happens, the end of the world, while you folks starve, my assets will supply me with all the comforts of life. So when I see Goldman Sachs or bank failures, I say.... suckers.
uranimu, Just noticed your previous post #64, also very nice, well put...
60. mom of lots - People have the right to take on debt but if the person doesn't have the proper financial education then it can be a burden if not used in the right way. Just look at the housing crisis and you will see that the masses lack this eduction. Maybe the protesters didn't get drunk on debt like so many did, however Americans have taken on so much debt throughout the years that this has now put a risk on our economy. I agree with the argument government is spending to much and is hurting future generations, but I also feel that consumers who take onto much debt have a negative impact for our future generations as well. The debt mentality has been going on for a long time now and needs to change. A lot of people have played a part in this financial crisis.
Paul's constitutional right of free speech costs Peter nothing except to honor that freedom (which Peter shares as well). Paul may wish that Peter pay for Paul's plans to rent an auditorium and public address system with which to speak. That's OK as long as it remains a wish. Paul's constitutional right of religious freedom costs Peter nothing except to respect that freedom (which Peter enjoys as well). Paul may wish that Peter pay for a church building in which Paul can worship. That too is OK as long as it remains a wish. Paul's constitutional right to life and liberty costs Peter nothing except to respect Paul's freedoms (which Peter enjoys also). Paul may wish that Peter pay for Paul's rent (or mortgage) and for Peter's food and doctor bills as well so that Paul can live without working. Yes, that's OK too as long as these remain wishes. However, most Tea Party supporters, like me, disagree when Paul convinces a politician that the government is ENTITLED to tax Peter to support Paul's living expenses. Tea Party supporters disagree even more strongly with the politicians who buy in to Paul's argument by promising Paul a free lunch for Paul's vote. Entitlements aren't constitutional, aren't free (taxpayers pay), aren't financially responsible and aren't good stewardship of tax payers money. Tea Party supporters disagree with politicians and government bureaucrats who justify their existence by increasing the welfare roles and by keeping second and third generation families on welfare. When there is a government system that gives out free money, people will find a way to work the system to their advantage. ENTITLEMENTS don't help, they just enable an unhealthy lifestyle, increase the tax burden and increase government debt. Government doesn't generate wealth but does have the responsibility to be good stewards of the wealth it receives from We the People who dutifully pay income taxes, sales taxes, social security taxes, etcetera.
Rights vs Wishes: Nicely said. Everyone seems to be brain washed into believing that banks, stock market, insurance companies are to blame for the state of our nation today when in fact it's the 100 members in the senate, the 435 members in the house and the people who reside and work at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Government created the Goldman Sachs problem by forcing banks to loan money to people who could not afford a home called NINA loans, Fanny and Freddy purchased a good portion of these loans, the remainder were bundled and sold over seas or attached to mutual funds and when these loans were not paid, they defaulted making these investments worthless. Many state's pensions were tied to these funds, CALPERS lost a good portion of it's reserve. Everyone seems to blame everyone else but the people responsible for the problem just as in health care. Capitalism works very well but there is a difference between a greedy person, over regulation and politics, all were part and parcel to these failures. Goldman Sachs is a private business with stock holders and once it saw these funds about to fail, just as anyone who purchases and plays the market will tell you "it's time to sell" and they did. The people should actually be blaming is past and present administrations and congress for allowing people with out assets to purchase homes when they could not afford them. Personal responsibility is lacking today and that is what the Tea Party Movement is all about. As for the government's filing suit against Goldman Sachs, it's just another coverup to manipulate passage of even more regulations that only benefits the 50, the 435 and 1600 Pennsylvania. When the housing market collapsed, seems folks here missed the stories in the papers on how many senators and high ranking officials were involved so I consider their comments and gripes without merit and only politically one sided. Get the real facts folks.
This is a good point. "The people should actually be blaming is past and present administrations and congress for allowing people with out assets to purchase homes when they could not afford them." Government did play a big role in this economic downturn. If the Tea Party Movement does stand for financial education it would be better to have signs saying this, not just signs about taxes. No matter how you look at it there were people who knew how the financial world worked and those who didn't. The people who did shaped our economy over the years in a way that brought about a misbalance in our economy. Shrinking middle class, importing good from other countries, or a bad educational system, these are the issues that should be brought up at these events. The educational system is what needs to be reshaped and improved a lot. Other countries are starting to out preform with the number of student who get degrees. K-12 is a joke. Tell me why teachers get 10 year. At Fallbrook High some of the teachers have 10 year, well some of these teachers slack off a lot. This comes from experience as a student there. If there wasn't 10 year maybe teachers would teach more!!! This is kind of off topic but is a big factor in telling how this ended up happening. The last thing we should be doing is cutting school funds.
From a FBVN opinion post: 47. grace says : ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Just came back from a tea party, as a democractic voter, I was really impressed with these guys. Just have to say as a vet, that I'm thinking of changing parties. Only saw pride and love for our counrty. I HOPE GOD WILL TRULY BLESS AMERICA. Say no more.
Never before has this country experienced such a "culture of corruption" than in this administration. No wonder why people are pissed off. Even "demmies" are starting to have doubt on the future of their party and this administration's policies.
The proposal is to promote a "Congressional Reform Act of 2009." It would contain eight provisions, all of which would probably be strongly endorsed by those who drafted the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I know many of you will say, "this is impossible." Remember, Congress has the lowest approval of any entity in Government, now is the time when Americans will join together to reform Congress - the entity that represents us. We need a Senator to introduce this bill in the US Senate and a Representative to introduce a similar bill in the US House. Please add any ideas on how to get this done. If all else fails, something like this needs to be added to the ballot for the next election. After what's been going on for the past few years, I'm certain the American public will vote for these changes *********************************** Congressional Reform Act of 2009 1. Term Limits: 12 years only, one of the possible options below. A. Two Six-year Senate terms B. Six Two-year House terms C. One Six-year Senate term and three Two-Year House terms Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work. 2. No Tenure / No Pension: A congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work. 3. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security: All funds in the Congressional retirement fund moves to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, Congress participates with the American people. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, server your term(s), then go home and back to work. 4. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan just as all Americans.. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work. 5. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work. 6. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work. 7. Congress must equally abide in all laws they impose on the American people. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work. 8. All contracts with past and present congressmen are void effective 1/1/10. PLEASE REMEMBER: The American people did not give all these perks to congressmen; congressmen gave all these sweetheart deals to themselves. We need to take back the Congress. They all seem to have forgotten: Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work
(Government created the Goldman Sachs problem by forcing banks to loan money to people who could not afford a home) If you believe that you are incredibly stupid, those regulations within the Glass Steagal act were repealed in 1999 at the behest of big banks with the help of their corrupt friends in our government ... thats the story and that is how it is today, not our government, so they, the deposit banks could get into the speculating game using our money, which they did, big time, and merge with insurance companies. And none of you nor I completely understand the financial system we are under. "It is well enough that people ... do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." Henry Ford, American industrialist "The normal functioning of our economy leads to financial trauma and crises, inflation, currency depreciations, unemployment and poverty in the middle of what could be virtually universal affluence-in short ... financially complex capitalism is inherently flawed." Hyman Minsky, American economist #7 exemplifies tea partiers who are all worked up about their hard earned money going to the welfare of others and complain that our government (current administration) is moving us all to a socialist state while interpreting our founding fathers about as well as they do the bible. What if, instead of looking at where our government might be headed and blaming everything on one adminestration like a bunch of idiots, we took a closer look at where we are and at the power-brokers who run or influence our government, at those who are profiting and prospering from it? These are, after all, the “winners” in our American world in terms of the power they wield and the wealth they acquire. And shouldn’t we be looking as well at those Americans who are losing their jobs, their money, their homes, their healthcare, their access to a better way of life, and asking why? If we were to take an honest look at “losers” and “winners,” we’d have to admit that it isn’t onrushing socialism or fascism that stand out, but self-aggrandizing greed and theft right in the here and now. Our public coffers being emptied to benefit major corporations and financial institutions working in close alliance with, and passing on remarkable sums of money to our representatives. You have to wonder why this disappearing act of our money is being performed, largely without comment, right before our eyes while enraged tea partiers rage on about everything from welfare and protecting our borders to socialism and big government and everything in between except what is really going on. All the while no one seems to put it together that the money spent on the less fortunate and the lowlifes is a drop in the bucket to what is spent on the needless war alone not to mention theft of our money by banks and corporations. Juan #8 says that murdering innocent people and ruining their lives and destroying their country while poisoning their land for future generations, is after all just a job with a decent wage? (I don't get you brother)Interesting how Bush and his opulent minority sent us to war and ruined the economy and it just so happens that the one steady job we can get today is in the military, no need to draft anyone.
the American economics profession has no awareness whatsoever that the U.S. economy has been destroyed by the offshoring of U.S. GDP to overseas countries. U.S. corporations, in pursuit of absolute advantage or lowest labor costs and maximum CEO “performance bonuses,” have moved the production of goods and services marketed to Americans to China, India, and elsewhere abroad. When I read economists describe offshoring as free trade based on comparative advantage, I realize that there is no intelligence or integrity in the American economics profession. Intelligence and integrity have been purchased by money. The transnational or global U.S. corporations pay multi-million dollar compensation packages to top managers, who achieve these “performance awards” by replacing U.S. labor with foreign labor. While Washington worries about “the Muslim threat,” Wall Street, U.S. corporations and “free market” shills destroy the U.S. economy and the prospects of tens of millions of Americans. Americans, or most of them, have proved to be putty in the hands of the police state. Americans have bought into the government's claim that security requires the suspension of civil liberties and accountable government. Astonishingly, Americans, or most of them, believe that civil liberties, such as habeas corpus and due process, protect “terrorists,” and not themselves. Many also believe that the Constitution is a tired old document that prevents government from exercising the kind of police state powers necessary to keep Americans safe and free. Most Americans are unlikely to hear from anyone who would tell them any different because the American corporate media does not serve the truth. It serves the government and the interest groups that empower the government.
I forgot. Resko, Obama's real estate, former drug dealer and pimp sold him a million dollar home in the Kenwood area of Hyde Park in Chicago far below market value, I know, I lived there and know what victorian style mansions go for in this area. See what I mean?
Fallbrook Turn off the T.V.!!!: Here is an example of what I am talking about, I posted this TWO YEARS ago when the housing boom went bust. A lender gave a loan of $850.000 to a group of illegal aliens, when most got deported, the home went into forclousure. During the Clinton Administration, Fanny, Freddy and banks were forced to issue loans to the disadvantaged, this program was called "everyone should have the american dream" program. Many congressmen's family members profited from this program, one noted San Bernardino House Member Baca using a family member to go out into the hispanic community to issue loans, he's still under investigation. Remember the Countrywide fiasco, Dodd, Schumer, Rangel and others received discounted home loans to win their votes and we all know what happened to countrywide. Now Badda Bing wants additional regulations and money to the SEC, the same group who dropped the ball before and allowed this to happen. Just more government interference and taxpayer money going to waste. That is why the "Tea Party" movement exists today. People of all ethnic groups and political stripes are saying "enough". We don't want to become the next France, U.K., Canada or Germany where the government is in every aspect of daily life. There is so much corruption in this administration in such a short time, it makes the Watergate plumbers look like law abiding citizens and the people see this and will pull in the reigns on Barry and his "chicago machine cronies" in 2010. Too much of one party or one view is a dangerous thing.
Ray - I agree with what you are saying. I truly believe we need a new political party because both Democrat and Republican have people who are corrupt.
Take a good hard look at the underpinnings of our Nation folks. She is the one in dire need of life sustaining treatment. It is Her vulnerabilities and the sappers in the wire we should be focused upon. We do not exist if She is not standing tall against the tyrant and usurper. The death by a thousand cuts panel is alive and well and is staffed by politicians and corporate/insurance moguls whose boot heels are at Her neck. As evidenced by the corpse of the United States of America around which they so gleefully dance, the people are the secondary target. All they need do now is wait for Lady Liberty to lose consciousness while the masses slowly bleed their prosperity and freedom into the trough of greed and avarice from which these pigs so merrily slurp. The knives of innuendo and complacency are poised to sever meat from bone, and as they are impatiently waiting for the last dying breath, forked tongued adders who slither across our national psyche one sound bite at a time openly attempt to pit us one against the other. Will we let them succeed? bryan mcclellan
Just be glad you have the right to express these opinions. I agree with #85 and term limits. They are in for life some of them and forget who they are serving. They think we are to dumb to know or care what is going on. Calif show them and clean house, start with new people. The long timers intimidate the newbes. Boxer, Feinstein, Pelosi all of them should go. The people need to stand strong and let them know we care. Dem and Rep alike new to go. They are becoming more and more corrupt and greedy. They are there to serve us not themselves.
#57 Haha I was there and I know how to count and I did! Along with several others. Actually, there were upwards of 165 people! So typical....drawing conclusions about something you apparently know nothing about...you as a bystander not as a participator or defender of America as it should be under a Constitution that works and should be valued. Try joining a movement that is "finally" trying to have a voice in what's happening in our country instead of standing on the sidelines and putting it down. What's wrong with patriotism, anyway?
I don't mind paying taxes if the funds are spent thoughtfully on infrastructure, SCHOOLS (India has more honor students than we have students--out High school dropout rate is close to 50%) and on making an intelligent switch from dirty energy to clean (and local) energy, and healthcare access. In the EU, people do NOT life in terror of getting sick. They have 4-6 week paid vacations. Parents (both genders) can take a paid year off when a baby is born. They are by far happier and healthier than we are. But yeah, to heck with that socialism stuff, right? Americans are so foolish, so easily led by people who WILL make fortunes from keeping the wars going, from squeezing every bit of the oil from the earth, from having a well-established underclass of barely-educated citizens generation after generation. Some days I am so sad. Kiss America goodbye. The robber barons are back in charge.
bb dew ... nice post, welcome to the 2% of Fallbrook who actually have a clue ... Have not the justifications for empire that are so embedded in our culture, assaulting our good sense that war is necessary for security, that expansion is fundamental to civilization begun to lose hold of our minds ? Have we not reached a place in history when we are ready to embrace a new way of living in the world. Expanding not our military power, but our humanity. (Howard Zinn) for a short factual American history lesson go to http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=vd5xliczq9
Prove it, tell me wehre in the state of California where taxes have gone down?
It seems many anti-tea party people are under the impression that the majority of tea party members were happy when Bush was president and voted for McCann. I don't think this is the case. I didn't vote for either one of them and was very upset when we got sucked into the Iraq war. I really thought and hoped that when there were no WMDs discovered that the USA voters would wake up. But no, instead Bush got re-elected. Go figure. My main reason for supporting a change in government and marching at the post office was hope that enough people will get energized and vote in a new leadership that will move the country back to the principles that this nation was founded on. Mostly personal responsibility and individual freedom from government controls. I don't give a rats rump what party the future leaders belong to as long as they don't rob from Paul to pay Peter. God bless America.
bb dew - Everything you described as "good" about the EU is why they are currently collapsing under their own weight. Everyone being able to be provided everything might be a great esoteric idea (even though I think it destroys humanity rather than enriches it and churns out selfish, self-absorbed, entitled human beings, but I digress) - but the absolute, bottom line truth is: They cannot afford it. They are collapsing under the weight of their own governmental spending, and we'll see how "happy and healthy" they are when the generations who have grown up with no idea how to actually take care of themselves have to take care of themselves without a nanny state diapering, feeding, housing, schooling, employing, and burying them. The EU as it has been is about to be no more and the same will happen to us if we are stupid enough to think that the government solves all problems.
98. Seriously says : bb dew -Everything you described as "good" about the EU is why they are currently collapsing under their own weight. Boy, there is some right wing rhetoric if I ever heard it... "we" are collapsing under our own weight and we do not have the social programs that Europeans have. We are all collapsing under a failed economic system that rewards wealth rather than the minions who actually produce it through their labors, their craft. Our current system and the leaches who speculate on the goods rather than produce them, are the causes of, and reasons for, all of our problems including the wars and the Gulf disaster.
Mike Vietnam Vet - Actually, I agree with you as far as the fact that we have become a nation of speculators rather than producers. However, much of that blame can be laid at the feet of labor unions and governmental policies. And if wealth is being rewarded (which I fail to see for the most part), you can blame the politicians you continue to elects while they're romping around in bed with the special interests. Most of the issues we're facing right now are because our government has expanded too much, has become overly involved in our lives, and has become incredibly corrupt - and we're too busy watching American Idol and cashing our unemployment/welfare checks to care. If you're not one of the wealthy being "rewarded," you have no one to blame but yourself. At my last check, you are still able to go to school, better yourself and move up in the corporate world, if that's what floats your boat. But maybe it's easier to let the government take care of us? And, just to set the record straight, in case you couldn't guess...I'm not a right-winger. I'm a Libertarian. I'm not all that into right-wing rhetoric, any more than I am into left-wing rhetoric.
Seriously: However, much of that blame can be laid at the feet of labor unions and governmental policies. There are no labor unions these days because of off shoring our jobs, if I have a problem with phone, internet etc I usually have to talk to someone in India. Our large corporations have moved their corporate offices off shore to avoid taxes and today our (the U.S.) biggest export is weapons. "How can you have an economy without jobs?" For the last thirty years the #1 export of the US has been jobs. Why? Who does this serve? Hint: It's not US citizens. See Video: http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/897.html I don't like speculators because they "play" the market and as a result drive the price of everything up. A barrel of oil, for instance, is traded 20 to 30 times before it ever gets to the consumer. Reread 94 again, Try to understand that as a dollar passes from you to me it is taxed, the more money that is circulated the more taxes (money) there is and it should go back to the people ... but I don't see it, do you. Big business should be financing everything but in this day and age the super wealthy do not pay because they have learned to game the system and as you say, the majority of us have no ides what's going on because we are the most entertained and least informed critters on the face of the earth... Europe is not caving because of social programs, they are caving for the same reason we are, their money was used to speculate or gamble and it was lost. If things were as they should be, we would not have to work more than a few days a week and we should be able to spend time enjoying life with our friends and family. You must be old enough to remember when only the man of the house worked, I am old enough to remember where people took outside jobs for "extra" money. Today we are on a treadmill to nowhere and slowly being killed off because corporate greed. Cancer is at epidemic levels 1 in3. because nearly everything in our home, office and car is made from petroleum. First, everything needed to make basketballs, shower curtains, carpet and appliances plastic parts etc etc is extracted from a barrel of oil, all of the waste and nasty byproducts like benzene are put back in the barrel of oil before it goes to be refined to make gasoline. Then it is "sold" to us and we dispose of all these nasty byproducts through our exhaust pipes while we take the kids to school or go to work. That is what I am talking about when you hear me talk about those psychopathic corporations. G.E. was a nice company way back when but now they are weapons and nuclear manufacturers who are promoting war and the occupation of foreign lands for resources. They also own MSNBC who blocked Kucinich from the presidential debates in Nevada because he is against war and nuclear energy. It is not Government or democracy who are ruining everything, it is the new corporatocracy run by big business ... We ARE the government so don't blame government, blame those who are behind the scenes running it because we stopped getting involved many many years ago... Thank you for your input, it is appreciated. PS watch these movies ... The Corporation, The End Of Poverty? http://www.theendofpoverty.com/ and google John Perkins and his book called Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
More for Seriously......... http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/44.html www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20176
Mike Vietnam Vet. Your plagurism is boring...stop please. We beg you! Your huffington post/ Is america Burning Cut and Paste act is getting so old. Do your own work for a change, stop ripping off other forum posts! I'm not sure who is worse, you or P Huck.
FUN FACTS ABOUT TAXES * Taxes strike violently without notice at the exact same time each year. * A lot of people get excited when they get some of the money back that the government had been taking from their paychecks all year; this is a bit like if there was a robber who kept breaking in and stealing your stuff each week, and you got all excited when, after a year, he brings back your T.V. * Some people don't calculate things right and have to voluntarily hand over their stereo to the robber when he visits after a year. * If you find yourself surrounded by taxes thirsting for your blood and see no escape, try declaring bankruptcy. * There's a place on the tax form where you can declare all your illegal earnings. I think that's a trick. * Income tax was unconstitutional until the 16th amendment was passed with the vote of two thirds of the states and the blessing of Satan. * It is unknown what tortures in hell those who voted for the 16th amendment are currently receiving, but they better be pretty horrible. * It is illegal to kill an I.R.S. agent and constitutes a huge fine - but the fine is tax deductible. * The I.R.S. headquarters is a cursed place built on an ancient Indian burial ground. It's filled with spirits, but they barely ever make any disturbances since most are trying to hide from the death tax. * In a fight between Aquaman and taxes, the I.R.S. would seize Aquaman's kingdom in Atlantis and put it up for auction. It would then be bought by his arch nemesis - BLACK MANTA!!! * They say that the only two things certain in life are death and taxes. They're usually also preferred in that order. * The government takes money out of each paycheck because, if once a year everyone actually had to write a check for their income tax, there would be a huge riot. I want all my money each paycheck and a cool riot! * Before reforms, when dealing with the I.R.S. you were considered guilty until proven innocent. Also, the I.R.S. is the only government agency with the authority to murder your family on mere suspicion of wrong doing. * Taxes attack without mercy or remorse. They cannot be stopped by bullets or fire. * Hiding sometimes works. * Unless you go buy some gum; then sales tax will find you. * Taxes are so unstoppable and attack so swiftly, they cannot even be dodged by a ninja! * The best way to avoid taxes is being a hobo... though certain high-trafficked bloggers may try to murder you. * If you're stuck in a room and see only two doors in it - one leading to taxes and the other to vicious biting monkeys - use an ax to hack your way out of the room. * Oh yeah; always carry an ax on you if you're afraid of taxes and monkeys. * If taxes are after you, don't try praying to God for help because He's currently dodging omnipotence tax. * On the plus side, taxes are what brought down Al Capone. They also killed Hitler. * When Jesus was asked about taxes, He said, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's." Now, he'd probably just avoid Caesar altogether through some non-profit organization. * The tax code is the largest, most complex set of written material in the history of the universe. At its current rate of growth, it will block out the sun by 2067 and plunge us into eternal winter. On the other hand, there will be a few new deductions for mortgage interest. * Democrats like taxes, but claim they only want to tax the rich (that's how income tax started). If you see a Democrat, lock him in a crate and throw it in the sea so he won't raise your taxes. * The best way to avoid taxes is to lie in a ditch and curl up into a fetal position. It's only two days until taxes are due, though, so it's probably too late to find a good ditch that isn't already taken.
Comment #103: Your plagurism is boring...stop please. We beg you! I am thankful that most people here like Seriously talk about ideas and beliefs, a few talk about things, fewer yet, like you, waste everyones time talking about other people, because they haven't anything better to say... It doesn't matter to you that it is "not" plagiarism when you give websites and or sources to the ideas you are bringing forward, it's called dissemination. dis·sem·i·nate (d-sm-nt) v. dis·sem·i·nat·ed, dis·sem·i·nat·ing, dis·sem·i·nates v.tr. 1. To scatter widely, as in sowing seed. 2. To spread abroad; promulgate: disseminate information. That's what it's all about, Coming together on ideas because most people of conscience are tryin to figure things out. It seems to me that you don't / can't / won't agree with the information I was referring to in my previous comments but you have no response and or websites to say different so you resort to childish name calling. If you would take the time to see the documentaries I referred to earlier ( The Corporation, The End Of Poverty? http://www.theendofpoverty.com/) you would understand the cause of poverty and know who is perpetuating it and how it is effecting us and how much we and the poor and starving have in common even though we supposedly are living as polar opposites... If you would google John Perkins, you wouldn't even have to read his books, you could listen to his fine talks, then you would understand what we (US gov, banks and multinationals) are doing in other countries and why. By the way, Comment #99 was all me and 101 was mostly me, guess that doesn't count. Listen up YOUR DONE / Michelle ...... One small farm, two houses, three families and one old laptop who's keys stick, donated to the cause by Mike W. Your girlfriend P.Huck is fasting at a hot springs in Mexico 26 klicks south east of Ensenada... or possibly gorging on fish tacos and crevice and drinking beers and listening to Mariachi music in Ensenada... (mood swings) (Shhhhh I didn't say that) and Common Cause was /is house sitting for PH... |
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