NO illegal alien problem IT's a hiring problem.
Quit going to stores or businesses who employe them.

How about going to the big American owned nurserys,any place who is doing wrong with your signs and intimidate them to do what is RIGHT.
Not the church to be a bully, you loss people that way.

If you choose to go to a place who hires illegal's your just blowing smoke.

so better pack up and leave, let the native indians rule america

Before we go after the businesses that employ them, let's first enforce the law against the Catholic Church.

Our economy relies upon the labor of the estimated 12 million undocumented immigrants present in our nation. This population fills jobs which Americans are overqualified for, primarily in the unskilled labor sector. Do you encourage your children to pursue a career picking lettuce?

What CIR ASAP would do is grant worker Visas to these workers who's labor our economy relies upon. It would also secure our borders and implement very high penalties for employers who employ undocumented immigrants.

Lars: I will agree to "amnesty" under the following guidelines:

1. Back of the line means just that, country of origin at the US Embassy gates.

2. Must learn Emglish, as it once was with immigrants. Within (5) years must be able to speak and read basic English or deported.

3. Within (5) years, must not violate "any" provision of US law, even minor misdemeanors if vilation, deportation.

4. Must produce a certified printout of all criminal behavior from their country of origin, subject to approval

5. Pay a fine. $10.000 per adult, $5000.00 for each child. payable on entry.

6. Pay all back taxes and penalties for their illegal activities.

7. Submit to all health inspections, if disease present, application denied until cured or certified.

8. In leiu of certain conditions, serve at least (1) tour of duty in the US Armed Forces or (2) years in a community college.

9. Must have a sponsor or bona fide job upon entry.

10. Must be "of means" to support themselves and families.

I think if "any" immigration reform measure contained most if not all of these conditions, it might pass and be accepted by the American people.

This is a very serious problem for CA..no wonder we are broke,look at how many illegals are collecting welfare from our tax money and our children in school are suffering because of all the hand outs..sick of standing by watching them break us.If we dont get control we will end up just like Mexico.

Lars: Maybe a decade ago, what you say might hold some truth but today "illegal aliens" have "invaded" every industry in America from service, construction to manufacturing, jobs usually held by Americans, but not anymore. "Do you encourage your children to pursue a career picking lettuce?" No but flipping burgers, waiting tables, cleaning offices, jobs usually held by our youth which now has an unemployment rate over 70%. Try finding an after school job today. Unless you speak spanish, able to work below scale and work longer than fifty hours a week, no way Jose. I really get tired of that old tired lie "doing jobs American's will not do". As a veteran of the last democratic recession, Carter, I pushed groceries in a shopping cart in twenty below zero Chicago winters just to support my new wife and future child so your argument holds no water. The only why businesses want "illegal" labor is to save a buck, that's all. By the way, machines now can do the jobs picking once done by illegal aliens.

Lars: Under the United States Code, they are called "illegal aliens". Rite-Aid is giving free Anti PC vaccines, sign up now.

Why do people write op-ed pieces like this? They must want me to ride my bicycle.

Oh Please !! here we go again ...Illegal aliens are involved in a sizable percentage of rapes, murders, burglaries and homicides along with being responsible for a lot of the illegal narcotics traffic in the United States. Really Mark ? murder and homicides ? That is the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard ....Get this, All studies thus far and one of over fifty years shows that aliens especially the so called illegal ones are less likely to get into any trouble because they do not want to attract attention...

Fer sure man, those little guys riding their bikes to and from work everyday are raping and killing a lotta folks too... on their off time ?

Nice post Lars..

post 4

When the work Visas are in place for the millions that are needed that's great but till then its illegal.
Just like you can't come on to someones property illegaly you cant come on the property of the United States illegaly. I do like Your point about Americans shouldnt have as their working pier an illegal alien.

It's time to shame employers to do what is right since the goverment is to slow to act.

4 what it's worth: Crimes in immigrant communities are so under reported it's hard to say if crimes are higher, I think they are. Why do you think law enforcement agenicies spend so much time in outreach programs in immigrant communities. Look at El Groupo in Escondido constantly carping about checkpoints and how it effects the immigrant community, actually I have to correct them time and time again, it's the illegal alien community because immigrants would already have drivers licenses. In the illegal alien community, yes they do not want to attract attention to themselves, this is by reporting crimes to law enforcement, the crime still remains. Just as the number of illegal aliens in the US is not clear, estimates between 12 and 20 million, so is crime in these communities. I don't know if you ever toured Mc Gonigle Canyon in San Diego which is littered with condoms, womens clothes, child prostitution, constant stabbings and rapes. The media, San Diego Police and the open border bundists like Claudia Smith (CRLA), Enrique Morones (Border Angels) deny this activity and try to cover it up but film exists of these activities. Same thing happened at the Strawberry Fields in Carlsbad in the 1990's as well as Gum Tree Lane where the new school now sits. Crime in the illegal alien community exists, it's real and it's vastly under reported.

They should be treated as the squatters they are.

In case you haven't noticed this is a farming community and as such needs these people, especially in this day and age when the cost of water is already getting scary, we need to cut costs as much as possible. Now if you want to pay 8 bucks for an avocado then they could pay your kids enough to support themselves here in gringolandia.
What does it matter, in reality, our kids could not keep up with these paperless people and the manual labor they perform starting at 7 AM, that's after they ride their bike all the way from town to Sleeping Indian or Via Monserate ...

It is easy to see that Ray and others with his simplistic views don't work with or have any "illegal" friends you don't know them, their families, what they want or what they are actually doing here, not to mention the 2000 bucks and great physical labor it cost to get here. So of course they are here to take something from you. You have all those preconceived fears and ideas of how they are ruining the economy and fact-less websites to support your views with propaganda.

(Crime in the illegal alien community exists, it's real and it's vastly under reported.)

Did you catch that ? (vastly under reported) couldn't be that it just don't happen ya?

Ever noticed we have to give the enemy a name so we don't have to think of them as people, Japs, Gooks, Ragheads Camel Jockeys, Illegal Aliens and now Squatters ...

yeah right Ray, you toured the camps, you know all about it. Let me tell you Pal ... It was bad people "with papers" I'll say it again .. It was bad people "with papers" who brought prostitutes to those camps to make money off the paperless people... Here is a news flash for you Ray.. It wasn't the little people they made money off of ... era los pinche gringos tambien maybe even you Ray. Is that how you toured the camps and know so much or did you get it all through your psychic abilities wondering around the deserted camp with condoms blowing in the wind ... don't forger vastly under reported child prostitution ... Hello ? The vast majority of people arrested and convicted for such things are white
Oh dog my cats ... shucks ..

Anyway those camps don't exist anymore, now the paperless people are renting in town and contributing to the economy" ... Oh noooo !! Well dog my cats again.. not contributing ? surely not...

I thought you left Fallbrook Ray, and took our hate trip with ya ... sort of like your buddy Rush Limbaugh going to move to Costa Rica if the health bill passed ... he is so full of it he looks like he is ready to burst. What does it say about this country when people like Rush and Glen Beck make millions and have a following ... Want someone to blame then look to NAFTA the WTO and billions in subsidies paid for by me and you to millionaire farmers to sell corn cheaper than Mexicans can grow it and pricing them out of the market so they have to look elsewhere to make a living. Wew !! That is what's responsible for all the current mass migration here and Europe... Oh no no no, much easier to blame the little people, those squatters and a black president for everything... Right Ray

It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. (J. Krishnamurty)

Amnesty will be granted to all undocumented citizen soon. The haters need to accept this fact and move on.

they have point out to amercia you can take a courty without firing one shot. it is an invadion . when mexico come up our leader are quit to stand up for the illegal alien , oh what do we call them? unwhat ?

Harper McQuaid: Had to send my census application back unanswered. There was no box I could check that just said "American". I am not a "-" American, just an American.

Harper McQuaid: Never happen. you think this counry was outraged with health care, immigration would bring this country to a civil war. Last time Kennedy-Mc Cain tried to pass, the switchboards at both the house and senate were shut down for days over the influx of calls. Even democrats are smart enough not to attempt passage of immigration reform or loose their jobs which might happen this november over Obamacare, Shamnesty would clinch it. People don't hate immigrants, just the illegal variety. I am on record opposing amnesty for the Irish illegal aliens in an interview I did with the Irish Echo newspaper in Ireland, still get death threats over my witty comment I can't mention here and I'm Irish. It does not mean I support them. so "hater" hardly.

Be careful what you wish for, I have been hearing about a provision embedded in the CIR bill... a National ID scheme -- complete with biometric tracking technology -- it is embedded in the new “Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill” being pushed by Senators Graham and Schumer, as well as other Big Government members from both parties.

And if passed, the “Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill” would require a new National ID card that would:
*** Include biometric identification information, such as fingerprints, retinal scans or scans of veins on the back of hands. Depending on the technology used, the ID card could easily be used as a tracking device; The super elite would like all us commoners chipped so we are easier to control.

Looks like they are pulling that old Problem ... Reaction ... Solution thing out again...

Problem .. Illegals raping and murdering everyone...

Reaction .. Comments, 2,5,6,7,8,11,12,14...

Solution ... People just won't go for having a chip embedded in their body's so the next best thing is a chippable National ID Card and require everyone to carry one. You will have to present your papers to go anywhere. Our Passports are already chipped, even 20 dollar bills from what some are saying, I can not add credence to that except that when you microwave a new 20, it pops and there is a hole burnt in it afterwards.

If you read up on a guy by the name of Aaron Russo, he was a kind, talented and generous person. He had the opportunity to meet and make friends with Nick Rockefeller. During his friendship with Rockefeller he was told many things prior to 9/11. The following video was made prior to Russos impending death ... he wanted to tell his countrymen about what he was told ... a very interesting video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA&feature=related

4 what it's worth: That avocado or head of lettuce would pnly cost about five cents more according to a study by the University of California at Berkeley a few years back. Illega is still illegal no matter how much they spend. I love your democratic views of the situation, a typical. I don't hate immigrants, just the illegal variety. And I only point of the facts. According to statistics, and Bill moyers (a leftie) from last night (kpbs), people of color are generally on the low income scale, hispanics generally have large families which makes matters worse. To succed in society, most turn to the gang lifestyle, just a fact you seem not to be able to live with, that is why according to the FBI, hispanic gange are exploding in America, live with it. No matter if I still live in Fallbrook or not, work there or nit, I thought "free speech" was my right, OOPS... I forgot, it's a Soetoro administration, the constitution was suspended. I don't listen to Rush, Beck or O'Reilly, I like Bill Handel from KFI more, he's funny especially his law show. I have always been on the record opposing NAFTA, I saw the flaw when it was first proposed. The wage disparity bothered me the most. If an American corporation moved overseas, the same wages and benefits should have been equal to the American worker it replaced. The only "perks" the American corporation should have received from the new country should have been tax breaks and free land, not wages. I also support a 50% tarrif on all goods from American corporations that fail to pay their workers accordingly, Clinton never approved it. But I see you love to play your race card, all spades huh, a flush? Even Soetoto can't fix the truth being he's a liar and a shyster, a typical from someone in his profession.

The word "comprehensive" used by the democraps, means to the American people, bend over and take it like a man. Whenever I hear that word attached to anything, I know I'm going to get it bad.

Millions more have come from Mexico illegally to make more money and they have overstayed visas and stolen across our borders like sneak thieves, disrespecting our laws, culture and citizens. They are anarchists, further breaking our laws by using stolen Social Security numbers, fraudulent identity documents, driving without valid licenses or insurance, lying on I-9 forms and taking American jobs in an unholy alliance with criminal employers. They suck services and tax dollars from our economy and could care less about the very real and very extensive economic damage they have caused to American workers through lost jobs and reduced wages. They are dishonest with poor integrity and tarnished character. They have proven themselves to be unworthy of the most valuable citizenship in the world. The same holds true for illegal aliens of all nations.

How You Can Fight Illegal Immigration


If you have information regarding illegal immigrants or activities associated with illegalsm then as a law abiding citizen you should contact the local authorities.
Alternatively, the number for the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement department is 1-866-347-2423 per their web site at http://www.ice.gov/about/contact.htm You should direct your correspondence to the Office of Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) which is responsible for promoting public safety and national security by making certain through the enforcement of U.S. immigration laws that all removable aliens depart the United States.

People like Joe and especially Ray should back up their harsh words with at least a few links to the sources of their information. other than FAIR etc.

Or just Google illegal immigrants and taxes ... then hush up ...

The Anchor Baby Myth

The Anchor Baby Myth is the erroneous belief held by many Americans that if an alien
has a baby in the US, the alien has the right to remain in the US legally.
Go here to find out...
http://www.scottimmigration.net/AnchorBaby.pdf

MYTH: Immigrants increase the Crime Rate

FACT: Recent research has shown that immigrant communities do not increase
the crime rate and that newly arriving immigrants tend to commit fewer crimes
than native born Americans. Ruben Rumbaut, a professor of sociology at Brandeis
University, found that “even as the undocumented population has doubled to 12
million since 1994, the violent crime rate in the United States has declined 34.2
percent and the property crime rate has fallen 26.4 percent.” Cities where there are
high levels of immigrants, such as New York, Chicago and Miami experienced declines
in violent crime during this period. Other cities with numerous immigrants,
such as El Paso and Laredo, are among the country’s safest cities to live in.
http://www.justiceforimmigrants.org/documents/immigration-myths.pdf

MYTH: Immigrants Don't Pay Taxes

FACT: Undocumented immigrants pay taxes. Between 50-75% of undocumented
immigrants pay federal, state and local taxes. They also contribute to Medicare
and provide as much as 9 billion dollars a year to the Social Security Fund. Further
still, undocumented workers pay sales taxes where applicable and property
taxes—directly if they own and indirectly if they rent.

http://www.justiceforimmigrants.org/documents/immigration-myths.pdf

MYTH: The Catholic Church Supports Illegal Immigration and ‘Open Borders.’

FACT: The Catholic Church does not support law breaking or open borders. “The Bishops of the United States recognize the validity of and need for effective border enforcement that protects Americans from criminal
and terrorist elements, allows for orderly and legal immigration, and respects the sovereign rule of law of the United States.”
(Source: USCCB, http://www.usccb.org.mrs/borback.shtml)

MYTH: Immigrants are a Drain on the United States Economy

FACT: The immigrant community in the United States is, in fact, a net benefit to the economy. A recent Congressional Budget Office Report states that “over the past two decades, most efforts to estimate the fiscal
impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that, in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use.” Research reported by both the CATO Institute and the President’s Council of Economic Advisors reveals that the average immigrant pays a net 80,000 dollars more in taxes than they collect in government services. For immigrants with college degrees the net fiscal return is $198,000.

MYTH: Undocumented Immigrants are a Burden on the Healthcare System

FACT: The National Immigration Law Center reports that the typical immigrant spends less than half the dollar
amount for medical services when compared with the typical U.S. citizen. For example, in Los Angeles County, “total medical spending on undocumented immigrants was $887 million in 2000 – 6 percent of total costs, although undocumented immigrants comprise 12 percent of the region's residents.” Further, federal law generally bars undocumented immigrants from using Medicaid benefits except in emergency situations. Even then, immigrants as a group are significantly less likely to use emergency room services than are American
citizens.

I think the FBVN is keeping me down. When I post "colorful" comments, they are printed, I like doing them, keeps people coming back but when I do a comment with "teeth" it's ignored. Is the FBVN keeping me in the "idiot" realm? or just holding back "honest" facts?

See thos campaign commercials for Whitman and Poizner? Both envoke the illegal alien promise, just a snowjob. First of all well before november, illegal immigration will no longer be an issue because "shamnesty" will pass and millions of illegal aliens will receive their green card, Soetoro will make this issue "moot". Also they pledge that both will stop taxpayer funded services to illegal aliens, another lie since most illegal alien adults don't receive these services, their anchor babies do. Now since nobody including the SCOTUS wants to define the 14th amendment (article 1) as what it was intended to do, repatriot slaves after the civil war during reconstruction making these slaves citizens. Now SCOTUS does not need a case before it to issue a decision but nobody wants to take the first step so it's "ahoy maties, drop anchor here" instant citizenship. Another ploy used the the shamnesty loving bundists is that deportation tears families apart, false. A child born to an illegal alien deported follows the parents. The child is a ward of the parent under our laws until the child is eighteen, once of legal age, they can claim their rightful citizenship. Once again, don't believe the lies, look for the truth and remember "all" running for governor are just blowing smoke up your....... you know what I mean.

Oh thanks 22, now we "law abiding citizen" can now fight "activities associated with illegalsm" (what ever that is) by becoming a nation of tattletales and snitches. Seems it will be much easier and more fun for some to tell tales about their neighbors activities, instead of taking the time to research the facts and finding the real cause of the problem, NAFTA, WTO and subsidies to corporate owned factory farms who are forcing out the smaller family farms, while producing inferior food and poisoning the earth and our water.

It's the same backwards approach as the war on drugs, war on terror and all the other wars that the movers and shakers are making money on.

We need to get it through our pea-brain that ..
1) the immigration problem is not just here in Fallbrook or the United States, it's worldwide.
2) Your government has already crunched the numbers and found that A. they (the little people) are doing slightly more good than harm.
and B. they are not a national security risk and C. it will cost two dang much money to deport them all or build an Israeli wall
3) Nothing is being done because the real movers and shakers of this world are trying to erase all borders to form a one world government anyway, while we bicker about the brown people.

I truly believe that if we get rid of the Free trade agreement NAFTA etc. and invest more in FAIR TRADE the so called illegals of all countries would find it much easier to make a living by staying home ...

To the man suffering from delusions of grandeur, the only one keeping you in your current realm? is you...

4 what it's worth: Out of all the "leftie" La Raza supported links you posted, only one gave some sort of information. Catholic Church and immigration. Guess you never been to Saint Peters. Immigrants and taxes. Yeah either by using someone elses which causes the owner endless problems or by using the de facto 000-00-0000 which only benefits the government, it's stiill ILLEGAL for an alien to work in the US. Drain on the system? I think many city, county and state governments have proved that wrong. Anchor Baby Myth. Not a myth, a fact. I and to the aid of Jon used to post links all the time but nobody used them and it too up too much space and work for the FBVN webmaster. I feel your going to go to the site which matches your political views, so many out there but I inject my observations and experiences into my equasions. Believe what you will I always say.

If your want to make your point about stores and busnisses hiring illegal aliens. Go and shame them infront of them and make your point.

Quit talking about the Church that bullying poop you people did
in front of the church was a bunch of non starters.
Thisproblem stops fast if you shame the RIGHT people first.
TheNurseries,business it would shock the daylights out of them. Make them what is Right.

Quit going to the low hanging fruit and being a thug.

Fallbrook Res: I guess you slept in the day we shut down the downtown area back in May of 2005 doing just that. The church "Saint Peter's" is one of the problems, I guess your catholic, I am not, Do kiss rings, burn insense and recite hail mary's to purge my sins, and drop a buck in the plate. Religion to me is like worshipping the sun, it's time has come and gone. If I want to read good fables, I''l turn to isop's fables. Humanity has grown out of it's cave dwelling and fear of fire days but enough on that. Yes business do hire these illegal aliens but when people like I and others do what you say, all you good "hillie" Fallbrookians geer and cat call us. Well folks quit your carping, you got what you wanted.

NOT Catholic!!

But the events at the church do you no good, you lose the highground , simply because people dont like being associated with thugs.

Picket the stores and busnisses hiring illegal aliens.
Making Americans think twice about hiring what is legally wrong.

"The FOOL says in his heart, there is no God".

Saint Peters, provides a medical and dental clinic for low income immigrants and who ever needs help regardless of nationality.

As I have said so many times before, this whole thing going on today is a world wide phenomenon and your hate trip or picketing nurseries will do no good.
To date, few know of the incredible land grab going on in Africa and other third world countries by the corporate agricultural giants from here to China and beyond. Why? Because there is big, BIG money and profits to be made from food, water and other basic necessities. They could care less that they are the cause of this imbalance, displacing yet more indigenous to show up on our door step.

Can no one see that persecuting the little people will do no good ?

At least St. Peters is helping in the only ways they know how and I might add that they seem to be working it to their advantage with more parishioners. So take some advice from St Pete's make good use of the little people while they are still here, and make a new friend and learn of a new culture in the process, because we have none of our own except apple pie ? I predict they will be going home voluntarily sooner than you think and they will be missed ...

Have you called for gangsweeps today?

Brother Fallbrook Res ... What is gang sweeps ?
I think we are talking about two different peoples, the people I am referring to have no interest in gangs, they go to church, are respectable of others, they are from small towns and farming communities, they are here to work and send money home where they are building a life and they usually try to stay out of your face. Most are here alone, if they have children, they go to school, do well and speak perfect English. I am talking about the majority of paperless people here today who grow coffee, corn and other commodities where they live but can not get a decent price for their goods because the world market is controlled by the World Trade Organization who does business with corporate players, screwing the little people on price and us on inferior product in an insane march to maximize profits...

Sounds like you are talking about street thugs and as. h...s, a totally different animal.

4 what it's worth: Guess you missed that airport style slave labor hiring site on the west side of the building? Want photos? I know, selective viewing. Fallbrook Res: Ever since I found out about Saint Peter's hiring site, I left it alone because I churches were not on my list, I was overruled by other activists, the Saint Peters was "not" my show, it was a SDMM show. I did the Merchentile Mall picket and the Old Stage-Alvarado DLS closure and a few ARCo pickets in Bonsall but in retrospect, I changed my mind about churches because of the arrogance of Father Bud who now runs a church in Vista now. The church says "come here" than after 5:00 pm, it's our problem. Catholics must learn that not all people of god are catholics and do not share their views. Don't see other churches on "religion row" running illegal day labor sites. Give them a meal, a blanket, a sermon but not a job. also Saint Peters does not give "free" admissions to it's schools for illegal aliens.

Look at all the illegals working under a "borrowed" or made up Social Security cards and then file illegal tax returns to claim the Earned Income Credit! You have to be a resident of the US to get EIC yet millions and millions of "free" money is being given to illegal aliens EVERY tax season!

Get over it "newbie": Fallbrook Res "is" female.

A small victory for the American worker against the illegal alien invasion.

http://www.vdare.com/guzzardi/100409_rico_illegal_aliens.htm

All i have to say is i guess the person who wrote this article must be native american right??? If not they have no right to deny the same freedoms their ancestors came here for.

37. Reality Monger says :
Look at all the illegals working under a "borrowed" or made up Social Security cards

If they are working they are contributing to the Social Sec. and Medical and probably not getting any of it back because most don't file. Also you and your kids have to be a citizen with a valid Tax ID # that corresponds with your name in order to collect EIC ... Sounds like something FAIR would say
Believe me, the IRS keeps tabs on all that stuff.

links please

4 what it's worth: since your a newbie and didn't see my posts of years gone by, let me tell you how employers "cook the books" with illegal aliens. Employers know that illegal aliens do not want to draw attention to themselves, because they are in violation of the law so the employer know nothing will ever get reported. To make everything look "kosher" an employer goes to some obscure bank and opens up a basic checking account let's say "offic funds", goes to one of those back east check printing mills found in your local Penny Saver or on the internet. They order business checks for this account with all he receipts and boxes for all the deductions. He than pays his illegal employees using this doctored checking account, makes everything look good just in case someone questions. Now the illegal alien than can go to the bank or check cashing place to cash his check because it looks like a bona fide payroll check. Two books, two accounts and the money the employer puts down for deductions is never paid but placed in his or her pocket because the illegal alien will not file. The only ones who actually apply for a taxpayer ID are the ones who hold work or educational visa's. Simple huh? That is why E-Verify was created, to catch all the people the IRS misses.

4 what it's worth: According to the PEW Center, illegal aliens rarely apply for the tax ID because they don't want to be tracked because of their status, most just use either 000-00-0000 or someone elses number, you can get one just about anywhere in barrio neighborhoods Mac Arthur Park in Los Angeles, they go for $100.00. By using someone elses number puts the owner of that number in a problematic situation which takes years to fix. So when I say they come here for a better life, it's yours they want. Just this week across the country, ICE busted over 40 document mills, it's big business. As for the IRS keeping tabs on this stuff, yeah right. It's so easy today for an employer to give the illusion of legality, I touched on this topic about a year ago in regards to illegal aliens.

4 what it's worth: Think the IRS checks? Think again. I worked for a company who had an employee working for over TWO YEARS. In order to get the job he had to submit to "live scan" and pass a background check from the State of California before a license could be issued. He cleared everybody's checks unitl the owner of the social security card applied for a job at the same company the illegal alien worked for. Well needless to say, ICE hauled off the illegal employee, back to "the motherland" he went. Let's see. the IRS missed it. The State of California missed it. NCIc and DOJ missed it. The employer missed it. Everybody missed it. How many others get missed? tens, hundreds, thousands, millions? How many people have to explain to the IRS and State Tax man why he didn't include those twenty extra jobs on his-her tax return. victimless crime? YEAH RIGHT!

4 what it's worth: Another link for you.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/article_f2b51f7f-1e3b-53ee-8585-082bb420ddd2.html

4 what it's worth: All the links you can absorb from "bona fide" publications from across the country.

http://www.americanpatrol.com

Too bad Californians don't have the same "nads" Arizonians have. Arizona today passed the nations "toughest" illegal alien law making "anyone" illegal a criminal. Allows law enforcement to do their jobs "finally" and clear out these lawbreakers. Imposes strict fines and penalties on businesses who hire illegal aliens. Eliminates the "sanctuary city" policies alltogether. Elmiminates "all" taxpayer funded to illegal aliens period including their "anchors" but in California all we have are gutless fruits, nuts and flakes. No wonder why the state is going bankrupt.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304604204575182721466632104.html

Re: Also you and your kids have to be a citizen with a valid Tax ID # that corresponds with your name in order to collect EIC

That is only true in theory! I know for a fact that there are illegals getting EIC. That can equal thousands of dollars per each individual or married couple. I know for a fact that there are less than honest tax preparers that will run a return with EIC knowing that the person trying to claim it is not eligible. They don't care because the more that they get for their client, the more they can charge. The IRS does eventually catch up with a small percentage of these people falsely claiming EIC but often by then it is too late. They havw already been collecting their "free" money and sending much of it back to Mexico. Illegals make up one of the biggest group of tax cheaters in the US. This country is hemmoraging money out of every orafice and illegals are more than happy to clean up the blood!

Ten to 20 million persons have illegally entered the United States??? This is rung information. You should know more about it before give your opinion! Illegal immigrants are necessary for economy of United States and they produce more jobs than that they fill. The majority of crminals are from in usa are from usa, only 20% of criminal are immigrants. Illegal immigrant are not a problem, actullay they are a necessity for USA economy.

De La Torre: Nobody actually knows how many "illegal aliens" have broke the law by entering illegally. Some say between 10 to 13 million, others say it's closer to 20 million, I believe it's far more than that. As for illegal aliens are necessary for our economy, for every $1.00 an illegal alien makes "illegally" they cost this country and it's citizens $10.00 to in support services. I would understand if "we" got a good return on this investment but we don't. Illegal immigration is the "Goldman, Sachs" of this country and I say our country and it's laws are too big to fail. Let's bailout our border security, enforce our laws and no "shamnesty" for lawbreakers.

De La Torre: Immigrants or illegal aliens? Immigrants come here the "legal way" they follow the process and wait sometimes years before they are allowed to enter. Illegal aliens do not follow the process, they come without permission, work without permission and draw on the economy like leaches. All illegal aliens are criminals so by saying that only 20% of criminals are immigrants, does that include the 20 million illegally here that are criminals?

I'm going to use a term that might not be politically correct in today's standards but applied decades ago. "WOP". now you think that means people of Italian heritage, it does not. It means "with-out-papers". So in actually Mexican illegal aliens are considered "wops". Amazing how the english language has been twisted to comply with politically correctness. The world we live in today, truth changed as to "not offend".

What can I say that has not already been said. Both sides of this depate have compelling arguements. However arguement being the key word. As long as we the people do not come together on issues as impotant as this, our goverment elected can do as they please. Money and power is what they desire and they achieve this in many ways. The biggest way is knowledge, the knowledge knowing that most U.S. citizens can not agree on anything.
It will be a sad day when this great Coountry falls in ruins because of misleading information. Please wake up people, illegal immigration is breaking the bank. No matter what side of this issue you support the problem continues. Our goverment continues to flip flop as the wind {oppinion poles} changes. They are trying to earn your vote so as to stay in office. In the end they will vote on the most profit to themselves and their campain supporters. Again keeping in the power and money.
Now I am all for helping my fellow man, no matter the race but anyone that thinks they can camp on my land, take food from my children, and take their right of birth will be met with force. I do not have the answers to this problem. But my daddy always said " when a man take a mile from you when you have already given the inch he asked for, He is stealing.

maybe I'd have a job, if they weren't all taken by people who do not deserve them and do not pay taxes and who do not obey the law.

I pay taxes, I obey the law, I can barely afford to feed myself.

In just California jails over 60% of inmates are illegals or sons of illegals,That is a fact,It costs US taxpayers $45,000 a year to keep some one in jail. Mexican border drug war over 30,000 killed coming to the US.How many Americans killed by illegals selling drugs. I have eyes I see this.Americans wont be fooled any more. Over 2 million illegals and sons of illegals in gangs in the US selling death and drugs

Who believes anymore that they dont take our job's?
What about caregiving, cook's, waitressing, Security, and much more.
I cannot find a job as a caregiver after 25 years of service.
When are we going to be protected and counted as americans?

Ray- messages 50 an 51, - De la Torre must be one of the millions of Troy horses that Mexico has injected in USA. She or he is wishing some States of USA to become part of Mexico. Many US COngressmen are blind or fool and are working now for Mexco, if Mexicans are not deported son, USA will be destroyed in less than 15 years an Mexico will rule the world.

Statictics is a base of Unemployment How you goin to report the average of Legal USA citizens when the jobs been fill out by corrupted employers wth illigal inmigrant, Who pay SSI, Taxes, ECT......Then Jajaja !!! Think about it! Train peoples give me a break!!!!?///